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Rogue state

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A Rogue state is a dictatorial state. The term "rogue state" was used by George W. Bush. A list of rogue states is the State Sponsors of Terrorism. Those currently states are Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria.[1] Former states are Libya, North Korea and Iraq.

? http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm

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General Motors

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General Motors (GM) automobile manufacturing company was founded in 1908 by William C. Durant, and rose to become the world's leading auto manufacturers from the 1920s to 2008, with plants in the United States, Canada and Europe. In 2006, over 9 million GM cars and trucks were sold. Since then a series of massive losses have brought GM into bankruptcy. Where once it had a 50% share of the market for new vehicles in the United States, the company hopes at best to at least hang on to its current 18% share in the face of fierce competition from Asian makers, and a recession that has forced millions of people to postpone major purchases. GM in July 2009 emerged from bankruptcy after 40 days having shed many debts, dealer, employees, and plants, kept alive with government loans and the hope that it will have electric cars on the road and find its niche market. It is currently owned and operated by the U.S. government.

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General Motors was originally formed by joining several independent companies: the Olds Motor Vehicle Company, owned by Ransom E. Olds, (maker of the Oldsmobile); Cadillac Automobile Company owned by Henry M. Leland; Buick Motor Company, founded by David Dunbar Buick, and the Oakland Motor Car Co, the original maker of the Pontiac.

Some of the popular brands of autos designed, produced and marketed by GM include:

Brands that are slated to be sold or closed:


GM headquarters is located in Detroit, and the company manufactures cars and trucks in 33 countries, employing about 284,000 people globally in 2006, but far fewer in 2009.

see Recession of 2008

GM went into crisis mode in 2008 as sales fell in half, with dealers' lots jammed with unsold cars, and the lack of revenue couldn't continue to pay for bloated union contracts and costly pensions. Losses mounted and only emergency loans from the federal government, approved by President George W. Bush, staved off bankruptcy for a few months. In late April 2009, GM announced further downsizing that would reduce its American workforce to 38,000 union employees in 34 plants, compared with 395,000 at 150 plants at its peak in 1970. Nearly half the dealerships would close, striking hard at the economy of many small cities. To keep GM from going into bankruptcy, which would have allowed the company to restructure union contracts, the federal government bailed out GM in a move that has cost US taxpayers more than $50 billion.[1] Even that was not enough. The Obama Administration took full control, forced GM in and out of bankruptcy in 40 days, loaned it billions more, and remains in charge of the company. The plan is to re-privatize GM as soon as the economy recovers.

On November 17, 2010, GM sold itself to the public through an initial public offering of its stock.[2] The deal came 16 months after GM emerged from bankruptcy, the fourth-largest Chapter 11 filing in United States history. Since then, the U.S. government has been the largest stakeholder; Labor Unions, Asian and Middle Eastern sovereign funds and other Foreign Governments also hold significant shares.[3] The United Auto Workers obtained a generous share of GM stock in the company's 2009 bankruptcy settlement, when the Obama administration pushed GM into bankruptcy and steered it through the courts in a way that consistently put the interests of the union ahead of many suppliers, dealers and investors.[4] "Priority one was serving the interests of the UAW," when the White House's auto task force engineered the bankruptcy.

? [1]? Dunstan Prial. Stakes Are High as GM Shares Get Set for Debut, FOXBusiness (FoxBusiness.com), November 17, 2010.? Edward Helmore. General Motors increases IPO as demand surges from Asia, guardian.co.uk, November 17, 2010.? Taxpayers and investors not as fortunate as UAW. GM's union recovering after stock sale, By Patrice Hill, The Washington Times, November 25, 2010.

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(Difference between revisions):I don't think it is sold outside of the U.S.  I don't have any connection with the product, which was started by a cousin.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 2 July 2013 (EDT):I don't think it is sold outside of the U.S.  I don't have any connection with the product, which was started by a cousin.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 2 July 2013 (EDT)::Really? I'm an avid home-brewer myself. How are the beers? [[User:WilcoxD|WilcoxD]] 23:10, 2 July 2013 (EDT)Is [http://www.pi-news.org/ this] site a conservative news source?--08:55, 2 July 2013 (EDT)Is [http://www.pi-news.org/ this] site a conservative news source?--08:55, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

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I was a little bit disappointed that Pentecost didn't make the Main Page, even after I had mentioned it: see Talk:Main_Page#Pentecost....

I'd like to see the Christian Feasts being honored on the Main Page, be it by a masterpiece, a link to an article, etc.: the next will be Trinity Sunday. Any ideas?

Thanks, --AugustO 08:42, 21 May 2013 (EDT)

Good suggestions. Often this will depend on what else is in the news, or what other entries editors are spending their time on at a particularly moment. Other websites on the internet are purely religious sites.--Andy Schlafly 10:48, 21 May 2013 (EDT)

Mr. Schlafly,
I wanted to apologize if my past edit offended you or damaged the project. It was never my intent to remove information from the table, but only to enhance the layout and supplement the content through additional citations. I have also apologized on the talk page of the article, but I thought I owed you a direct apology as well.

Additionally, I still have a desire to improve the article. I have posted a proposed plan on the talk page, and I would be very grateful for your input. I eagerly await your suggestions.

Sincerely, WilliamWB 11:27, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

Andrew Schlafly, you claimed that „Jesus prayed, often publicly, for people”. I'm still interested in an example for this - as you said that this happened often, you should be able to provide us with one. To be more precise: I don't want examples of Jesus blessing or giving thanks ( e?????? - like in Matthew 14:19) or laying hands upon someone (?p?t???µ? ?e??a? - like in Matthew 19:15), I'd like to see an example of Jesus praying (p??se???µa?) publicly for people.

Could you please give us a verse? Thank you. --AugustO 15:40, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

For example, Jesus routinely prayed in public before each meal.--Andy Schlafly 21:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT) „I don't want examples of Jesus blessing or giving thanks” „I'd like to see an example of Jesus praying (p??se???µa?) publicly for people” „Could you please give us a verse?” As you can see, your answer doesn't match the question. --AugustO 22:45, 24 May 2013 (EDT) Try John 8-14 (Translated)#11:41 - when Jesus very publicly prays to and thanks God prior to raising Lazarus from the dead.--Andy Schlafly 23:45, 24 May 2013 (EDT) I wonder if he'd be satisfied with John 17:11-17: Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. [1] Perhaps there aren't as many transcripts of our Lord's specific prayers as we'd all like. --Ed Poor Talk 19:46, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

I may be a "liberal" Christian but I am devout, but some articles (guess by who?) suggest I am more associated with Satan them I am Jesus. I will not stand for it any longer--Patmac 09:34, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

Dear Mr. Schlafly,

Can you please unprotect this page? I would like to update it with information about VY and Shock's chatroom that has come to light at Talk:Main Page. If this is not desirable, then I would suggest unprotecting the page (which is currently sourced only to a single page on an anonymous blog) so that a more verifiable article can be written in its place (and perhaps if I can get a hold of Conservative, he can point me to reliable sources). Thanks, GregG 21:28, 31 May 2013 (EDT)

Can you do anything with this: Template:Dead link? --JoeyJ 14:02, 1 June 2013 (EDT)

What is wrong with it?--Andy Schlafly 16:20, 1 June 2013 (EDT) Maybe you can expand it. In Wikipedia there is a category for articles with dead links --JoeyJ 09:00, 2 June 2013 (EDT) I've done it. If Mr. Schlafly or someone else wants to change the exact name of the category, they can go ahead. Onward 09:25, 2 June 2013 (EDT)

Could you restore my talk page, actually? A nice little memento from the hoopla. :) Onward 20:24, 1 June 2013 (EDT)

Conservative still goes on with his hatred, I will get blocked for this but here is my promise, I will wait 3 days and if after that time this users hatred is not completely removed from this site I am going to report Conservapedia to the Southern Poverty Law Center and request it is designated a hate group.--Patmac 11:28, 3 June 2013 (EDT)

I would have preferred to send these messages to you in person but I cannot find an email for you so it has to be done here, I have requested you do something before but have been constantly ignored. Lets face it Andy, despite not holding office you are very much a politician, and what does a politician do when a subordinate constantly jeopardizes his position? He gits rid.--Patmac 11:41, 3 June 2013 (EDT) Conservapedia supports and defends the full right to free speech, and urges liberal groups to do likewise.--Andy Schlafly 12:16, 3 June 2013 (EDT)

This is not free speech, this is hate speech. When i read that Jesus eats and spits out moderate Christians that is hate speech, and it also brings the name of our saviour into disrepute. He does not just attack evolutionists and atheists, he attacks Christians, to the extent that we are not Christians at all. "Liberal" Christianity and marital infidelity, "Liberal" Christianity and whore mongering, "Liberal" Christianity and bestiality, need i say more? But if someone dare challenge his position, he blocks them, how is that free speech? I think you personally have some pretty strange ideas but you do allow them to be challenged without going on a hate spree, and you are to be respected for that. But constantly allowing Conservative to post his vile tirade, however free it may be, just undermines Conservatives and by extension your image.--Patmac 12:32, 3 June 2013 (EDT)

This user Pacmac is blocked indefinitely. Apparently, he thinks he can define what hatred is, even so far as to saying that the above reference concerning Jesus constitutes "hate speech". This is the place in the Bible where it comes from, Revelation, Chapter 2: 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. What it means is that this user is trying his best to stop any mention of the Bible unless this mention is done in accordance with his liberal philosophy; which means that the above Revelation verses are null and void. He further threatens to call the SPLC on us if we don't behave in according to his whims, i.e. one hate filled individual calling a hate-filled organization to complain about our alleged hate against his own hate-filled ideas. Patmac had also forgotten about our First Amendment RIGHTS to FREE SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, and FREEDOM TO ASSEMBLE. He's so filled with hate himself that he would demand the SPLC to try to stop us from enjoying those rights. As far as I'm concerned, he failed. And he can continue failing somewhere else. Karajou 13:12, 3 June 2013 (EDT) Firstly, let me say that I do not endorse user:Patmac`s tactics of legal threats. They have no place on a wiki, and should instead be sent to the site's owner (Mr. Schlafly) by email. However, as per hate speech and the Bible, it is clear that the Bible condemns churches who do not uphold the tenets of Christianity, but on the other hand, who is User:C to decide which churches are not upholding these tenets? brenden 13:43, 3 June 2013 (EDT)

This is an opportunity for Andy to show some leadership in setting a path that de-escallates the conflict here. On the one hand, Patmac is absolutely right about the intemperate nature of User:C's comments. On the other hand, Patmac's frustration with the failure to address that problem led him to make intemperate remarks as well. I suggest that we forgive Patmac for his transgression, and address whether User:C's edits are consistent with the fundamental commandments of Conservapedia. This is not a "Free Speech" issue. User:C is free to express his views on his private blog. Our question is whether CP should endorse and republish some sharp comments as the views of the entire project. Wschact 07:22, 4 June 2013 (EDT)

ReymeDneK's contributions? Thanks, GregG 10:15, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

There is a dispute between myself and user:Markman regarding User:Rafael's block. Could you please provide some guidance? Thanks, brenden 15:34, 6 June 2013 (EDT)

See this edit. Clear case of incivility. Considering his previous record I'd say he should be banned for at least a week if not more. I would have given him a lifetime ban but unfortunately there are too many editors with blocking rights who seem to be determined to subvert Conservapedia's rules. Interestingly enough, many of those editors are also in cordial relations with the RW userbase. - Markman 15:42, 6 June 2013 (EDT) You should also point out that, aside from you, the only other person who has given Rafael a block, was DamianJohn, and a now outed parodist. As per "determined to subvert Conservapedia's rules", I would suggest that you re-read the rules. I still haven't forgotten your bullying of AlanE. brenden 15:48, 6 June 2013 (EDT) "You should also point out that, aside from you, the only other person who has given Rafael a block, was DamianJohn, and a now outed parodist." Come on darling, don't be afraid to call the parodist by his name - Dvergne. The same Dvergne who sided with you and with AlanE against me. So you're basically admitting to both associating with a liberal website and with parodists. - Markman 15:54, 6 June 2013 (EDT) As far as I understand, User:Dvergne, Karajou, and myself were chastising you for spamming {{uncited}} specifically on AlanE's contributions. Are you insinuating that Karajou is "associating with a parodist"?? Furthermore, once again, you have shown yourself unwilling to read that userpage, that explains my goals on that website specifically. In case you can't see that website, I have the words reproduced below:

==Wat?== *Why are you here? :I'd rather not be impersonated, and I would like a word in this place. *What are you doing at Conservapedia? :I do enjoy thought exercises. While Conservapedia does go in a little overboard at times, I still have faith in it. I feel that the only reason that Conservapedia's problems are so famous, are because of the inordinate amount of trolls and parodists, trying their best to write something so ridiculous, that their comrades might congratulate them. That, and the continued threats by [[user:naca|certain]] [[user:Umichcynic|people]] [[user:Proxima Centauri|at]] [[Liberapedia|certain websites]], to (blocked by spam filter), and harrass the precarious community at Conservapedia, have not helped the situation. One of my goals there is to rectify that. brenden 16:00, 6 June 2013 (EDT)

Your other edits on that website reveal a different story. Your cordial relations with the RW userbase shows that you're one of them. - Markman 16:04, 6 June 2013 (EDT) In the days of TK your admiting you are even reading that site would have earnt you a ban. Davidspencer 16:05, 6 June 2013 (EDT) On the contrary, I have been called a dick, a parodist, a "smarmy little prefect", among other things. I do my best to present Conservapedia in a positive light, and frankly, are doing a lot more good than Markman, going there to deliberately spread a false impression of a surly, confrontational Conservapedia. brenden 16:06, 6 June 2013 (EDT) I think that I made my case and I don't need to elaborate any further. I don't only enforce the 90/10 rule but also try to comply with it, so I'll refrain from any further replies until Mr. Schlafly says his word. - Markman 16:09, 6 June 2013 (EDT) I think that you shouldn't jump the gun, and instead, should wait for Mr. Schlafly's word on this matter. brenden 16:05, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

A sock of Mr. Mason has recently posted some vile attacks on that page. Although I have undid them, someone may want to block that sock and/or take other remedial measures. Thanks, WilliamWB 12:43, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

I wouldn't worry about this. Karajou took a minute or two to learn oversighting. Mr. Mason will now become even more obscure than he already is and rightfully so. Conservative 00:12, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Dear Mr. Schlafly,

I know you've taken interest in voter ID just as I have, and I found out this week that the Arkansas Secretary of State has proposed rules to implement Arkansas' new voter ID law. [2]. I'm planning on writing up and submitting comments to fix several issues with the rules, and I was wondering whether you were planning on submitting comments or wanted to see what I am writing. Hopefully, if the rules are fixed as I suggest, the voter ID law should survive federal and state court challenges. Thanks, GregG 13:24, 8 June 2013 (EDT)

That's interesting. I wasn't planning on submitting any comments, but I'd be curious to see what you submit. My own view is that voter ID laws are not as significant as early voting laws.--Andy Schlafly 22:36, 8 June 2013 (EDT)

Andy, I think if Conservapedians could spend more time creating content rather than fighting spammers that they would do so if given the opportunity.

Why don't you add the feature to the wiki that fights spammers that Brenden says works great at his wiki?

Here is the informmation:

I noticed that in the RC, there's been a large amount of spammers. Perhaps implementing QuestyCaptcha, a system that uses questions that Mr. Schlafly chooses, could stem the onslaught. It works excellently at my wiki. Here is the information for this extention: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha brenden 21:10, 1 June 2013 (EDT)

I hope this helps. Conservative 10:30, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

Dear Mr. Schlafly,

User:Conservative reverted my recent edits without explanation and protected the page. Since there is no way to contact U:C and I don't see it likely that there will be fruitful discussion about improving the article about the logical fallacy of quote mining, I would request that the page be unprotected and that U:C work in collegiality with me to improve the page. Thanks, GregG 11:21, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

There is nothing wrong about quoting the other side and using those quotes to disprove and discredit their position. Some evolutionists pretend there is something wrong with this, yet politicians, attorneys, and any debater properly does this frequently.--Andy Schlafly 13:00, 9 June 2013 (EDT) I'm glad you are offering your input, and I should probably explain my changes fully on the talk page. Science, law, theology, politics, mathematics, and philosophy are all different systems for answering questions about our world. Each system has its own rules, so what may be a valid argument in law (citing to binding precedent or quoting an authority) is not necessarily valid in science or math. Likewise, logical deduction from axioms is the main way mathematical results are proven, but it has less utility in the other systems of answering questions. In any event, I think there should be a full discussion on the talk page, and, revisiting this issue, I think that what would probably be best (and what I will therefore request) is for the page protection to automatically expire, say, a week or two from now, and hopefully, the discussion that takes place during this next week will improve the article. Thanks, GregG 13:10, 9 June 2013 (EDT) EDIT You wrote "politicians, attorneys, and any debater properly does [sic] this frequently." I trust you are familiar with Rule 3.3 of the New Jersey Rules of Professional Conduct. GregG 13:23, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

Try this:

$wgGroupPermissions['*' ]['createpage'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['createpage'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['createpage'] = true; $wgAutoConfirmAge = 600 ; # Ten Minutes

I disagree with this proposal. I think one of the things that makes wikis so successful is that people can jump in by creating an account and instantly contribute by improving pages. To be honest, I think that there are enough blockers to handle the spam efficiently, but if there needs to be a solution, I would recommend QuestyCaptcha. GregG 17:03, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

It keeps on coming up everytime I add a link to references, is there any way that you can turn it off for my user? I clearly am not a bot or spammer so if you can it would be much appreciated. JAnderson 20:51, 10 June 2013 (EDT)

Thanks for asking. I've added SkipCatcha privileges to your account.--Andy Schlafly 21:19, 10 June 2013 (EDT)

I'm happy to announce that the Book of Malachi is now fully translated. I would like you to take a look at it and if needed help improve it. Note: not all of the book's translation was done by me, but in the parts that I did translate I changed "LORD of hosts" into "LORD of armies". The Hebrew word "tsvaot" (?????) that is sometimes translated into "hosts" actually means "armies". I think that this translation is more accurate, plus it sends a strong anti-pacifist message.

I also see that I can't add Malachi to the list of fully translated books in Template:ConservativeBible. Could you please do that for me? - Markman 06:16, 15 June 2013 (EDT)

Fabulous! I like your correction of the pacifist bias. I've updated the template. Well done!--Andy Schlafly 11:41, 15 June 2013 (EDT) Thanks you for your kind words! - Markman 11:41, 15 June 2013 (EDT) I look forward to more of your translations.--Andy Schlafly 11:48, 15 June 2013 (EDT)

Schlafly, could you please answer to my post on Talk:Roman Catholic Church about the RCC and evolution? Thanks, cheers. --Swordsman 08:10, 15 June 2013 (EDT)

Replied.--Andy Schlafly 11:48, 15 June 2013 (EDT)

Hi can you please uploud these pictures: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anarchy-symbol.svg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ancapflag.svg Thanks --JoeyJ 13:49, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

Done as requested.--Andy Schlafly 14:28, 16 June 2013 (EDT) Thank you but I cant put them into the articles Anarchism and Anarcho-capitalism Can you help me, please? --JoeyJ 13:58, 18 June 2013 (EDT) I resized them from 500px to 200px and now you can use them in a format smaller than 500px. See: Anarchism and http://conservapedia.com/File:200px-Ancapflag.svg.png Conservative 14:35, 18 June 2013 (EDT) Thanks Conservative. Please uploud yet this here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anarchist_flag.svg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Christian_punk.svg --JoeyJ 08:47, 21 June 2013 (EDT) and this one also --JoeyJ 09:30, 21 June 2013 (EDT)

Mr Schlafly, Having visited the Eagle Forum website I noticed you run courses on US history which interests me, but have noticed the registration is restricted to those living in the USA. Is it possible to enrole from elsewhere?--Tomqua 16:27, 18 June 2013 (EDT)

Consider using the U.S. History course I posted here: Conservapedia:Index.--Andy Schlafly 16:41, 18 June 2013 (EDT)

Thank you--Tomqua 16:42, 18 June 2013 (EDT)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57590166/james-gandolfini-dead-at-51/

It's the same old story over and over: a Hollywood liberal (he helped raise money for Kerry) engages in a self destructive lifestyle (compulsive eating in this case) leading to his own demise. So tragic and yet so preventable. - Markman 15:08, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

The archives from "Previous Breaking News" are very unvalid. Where are the archives from 2012/2013?--JoeyJ 12:01, 24 June 2013 (EDT)

Here: [3].--Andy Schlafly 12:13, 24 June 2013 (EDT)

We've under a vandalism spree recently. Users involved: SwissE, Namkram, JackieS. I think we should consider a range block in case their IP addressees are dynamic.

I also blocked some users who registered in close proximity to the vandal spree: Mar92vg8br, Numisexpert37, Car9d94nha, NigelM, DennyH. I recommend using checkuser to see if they share IP addressees with the vandals. If not, than those with a proper username should be unblocked while those with an improper username should remain blocked but with their IP unblocked and account creation enabled. - Markman 09:09, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

Thanks. I'll look into this.--Andy Schlafly 09:13, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

You don't have any problems with his blocks, do you? brenden 14:11, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

Checkers, stop barking at Mr. Schlafly this instant! - Markman 14:16, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

Please do something about this person. I realise has has been very helpful to you in the Bible Project but he is now blocking long standing and valued contributors on the most spurious of reasons. Davidspencer 15:03, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

Hate to join on but I agree. Markman is a good editor of the bible project but he does engage in block wars and the infighting between Him and Brendan managed to drag me in when he attempted to associate my name is a previously unknown (to me anyway) internet joke. Also, I have serious issue with him questioning my Conservative Ideology simply because I am British and calling British conservatives "sexual degenerates"Ryancsh 20:07, 25 June 2013 (GMT) And before he comes back with an accusation of me being a sock of another user I have been here for far longer than he has, I may not have been that active a contributor but I am not a parodist. And I am not a sock of anyone on this site I assure you. Davidspencer 15:18, 25 June 2013 (EDT) I find no need to defend myself from accusations of libs such as yourself. Mr. Schlafly knows what's right, I trust him to act on it. - Markman 15:26, 25 June 2013 (EDT) Ad hominem attack from someone who quite frankly has no real arguments to defend himself. I may end up perma-banned from this site but the site will be worse in the long run for allowing you to continue editing and stopping those you block for no reason other than your whim. I will now bow out and leave you the last word, I would certainly not want someone to block me for 90-10 (an advisory limit only ayway). Davidspencer 15:31, 25 June 2013 (EDT) Since when was I a liberal? Last time I checked, I was more conservative than a lot of other users on conservapedia Ryancsh 21:39, 25 June 2013 (GMT)

"If he cannot even control his own NSA, then why would anyone believe he can control the climate?". This most recent main page right post had panache. :) Conservative 02:28, 26 June 2013 (EDT)

I'm happy to announce that Ruth has been fully translated. Can you please add it to template:ConservativeBible? I would have done so myself but I'm not an admin. - Markman 07:35, 29 June 2013 (EDT)

Fabulous work! I've added Ruth (Translated) to the template, and also trimmed the template a bit. Well done!--Andy Schlafly 09:11, 29 June 2013 (EDT) Thank you for your kinds words! - Markman 10:13, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

May I suggest using this source, from the conservative Telegraph rather than the leftist Daily Mirror http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/money/money-matters/jane-austen-could-become-the-new-face-of-britains-10-pound-note/story-fni0ctl0-1226669886966 --Tomqua 18:20, 29 June 2013 (EDT)

Recently a vandal who attacked my talk page claimed that the users Eg, Brenden and Rafael are his socks. Eg is already banned for other reasons, I suggest an investigation into Brenden and Rafael (whom I temporarily blocked for emergency reason) to see whether or not this claim is true. - Markman 10:13, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

The account for User:Eg does not appear to be a sock.--Andy Schlafly 11:37, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

Glad that got cleared out. Kind of off topic, but it came to my attention that some of your family members have a brewery, and that the Schlafly brand has been getting some really good reviews. Is it sold anywhere outside of the US, such as in Israel or in one of the more friendlier Mediterranean nations that are close to it (such as Cyprus or Greece)? - Markman 11:59, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

I don't think it is sold outside of the U.S. I don't have any connection with the product, which was started by a cousin.--Andy Schlafly 12:05, 2 July 2013 (EDT) Really? I'm an avid home-brewer myself. How are the beers? WilcoxD 23:10, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

Is this site a conservative news source?--08:55, 2 July 2013 (EDT)


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Republican in name only

(Difference between revisions)*State Senator Allan Kittleman of [[Maryland]], for promoting homosexual [[special rights]][http://voices.washingtonpost.com/annapolis/2011/02/gop_senator_announces_support.html GOP senator announces support for Md. same-sex marriage bill]*State Senator Allan Kittleman of [[Maryland]], for promoting homosexual [[special rights]][http://voices.washingtonpost.com/annapolis/2011/02/gop_senator_announces_support.html GOP senator announces support for Md. same-sex marriage bill]*[[Texas]] Speaker of the House Joe Straus==RINOs currently not holding political office====RINOs currently not holding political office==

A RINO (Republican in Name Only) is an officeholder or candidate who is a member of the Republican Party, but holds views to the political left of most Republican voters. The term "RINO" describes politicians who claim to be Republican but are in fact liberal, and therefore generally debase the winning conservative coalition base of the Republican Party.

RINOs are often Republican only to the extent it serves their own interests, and will abandon conservative principles as soon as it is in their own interests to do so. RINOs often provide support for raising taxes, abortion as a right, gay rights and gun control. Some RINOs have connections with Planned Parenthood or corporations that support goals of population control; other RINOs pay lip service to pro-life values while in practice not advancing those values.

Double standards by RINOs are common: a birther comment by Romney during his campaign was supposedly a "nothing", but Todd Akin's pro-life comment would somehow "absolutely" could cost RINOs control of the U.S. Senate![1]

RINOs, like Democrats, typically come from states in New England, the Mid-Atlantic; or states on the Left Coast. A less-used term is cafeteria conservative, for a person who picks and chooses which conservative principles to believe, as a person might choose foods in a cafeteria instead of ordering the full-course menu selected by the chef at most restaurants.[2] In contrast to RINO's and cafeteria conservatives, movement conservatives understand that since conservative philosophy is a coherent whole, it is untenable to discard part of it without discarding all of it.

The RINO targets of attack argue they follow middle of the road policies and are not liberals; they claim they get results, and insist that without them the Congress would be totally controlled by liberal Democrats and Republicans would rarely have any success. Conservatives respond that in the heyday of "Rockefeller liberalism" in the GOP the Democrats always controlled Congress, and the GOP only took power when Newt Gingrich launched a national conservative "Contract with America" in 1994, ending 40 years of Democratic control of the House. The notion that we need to elect Democrat-lite type of politicians is false. The election cycles of 2010 and 2012 proved that many RINO candidates are unelectable. RINO candidates wasted millions of dollars; Carly Fiorina, Meg Whitman, Scott Brown, Linda McMahon, and many others could not connect with the people in liberal blue states.

In recent Republican primaries, voters have been rejecting establishment RINOs in favor of those with stronger conservative principles. Their commitment to self and not party is evident in their refusal to endorse the candidate that beats them. In some instances, they refuse the will of the voters and their party by running for office on an independent ticket. It is important to vote for someone who's more conservative on the issues rather than for a Republican because anyone can join a party and be they can be RINOs.

if (window.showTocToggle) { var tocShowText = "show"; var tocHideText = "hide"; showTocToggle(); } Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, for supporting homosexuals serving in the military and giving amnesty to illegal immigrants.[6] Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts after his support of gutting Arizona's immigration law and yet being the swing vote responsible for keeping Obamacare upheld. As Supreme Court Justices officially have no party, he is more of a "conservative in name only". Texas Speaker of the House Joe Straus Former President Theodore Roosevelt, because he regulated the economy and used social justice. Former Congressman Steve LaTourette of Ohio Former Press Secretary James Brady, for being a major gun control advocate Fred Karger, for supporting abortion and the homosexual agenda. Karl Rove, for supporting the big government GOP establishment's agenda his whole career and attacking those who oppose it. Former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, for supporting the Homosexual Agenda. Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, for supporting DADT repeal and being pro-abortion. Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, for supporting DADT repeal and failing to condemn same-sex "marriage" and abortion. Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson supports same-sex marriage and abortion (although he opposes abortion once the fetus becomes viable outside the mother's body). After switching to the Libertarian Party in 2012 to run for President, he openly admitted that he governed New Mexico for eight years as a RINO, even using the phrase "Republican in name only" on multiple occasions. The Libertarian Party is liberal on social issues (with the exception that they support gun rights) but are fiscally very conservative. Former Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania supported ObamaCare and switched from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party to give the latter a 60-40 edge in the Senate and allow them to enact cloture on the Republican filibuster. Former Senator Lowell Weicker of Connecticut, who left the party and formed his own local one in 1990, then became an Independent in 1995. Former Senator Jim Jeffords of Vermont, who left the Party and became a Democrat in 2001, giving control of the Senate to the Democrats. Former Representative John Anderson of Illinois, who became an Independent after losing his party's presidential primary in 1980. Former Governor Buddy Roemer of Louisiana, who became an Independent after losing his party's presidential primary in 2012.

A majority of conservatives distrust RINO John McCain even though many of his policies are that of a true conservative. Key RINO principles rejected by McCain include support for gay rights, support for abortion, and support for earmarks. He has positioned his career as a bipartisan moderate, reaching across the aisle whenever possible. This is also his downfall. The era of reaching across the aisle passed -- when statist, socialist Democrats became Senators. His major political blunders mostly came during the 21st century political period. He was against both the Reagan and Bush tax cuts, and employed class warfare rhetoric in trying to stop the tax cuts from taking effect. His support for amnesty was the complete opposite of what conservatives wanted. He has always complained about enhanced interrogation techniques, calling them "torture". In non-election years, he likes to trash conservative positions and icons in order to get the media's and Democrats' approval. However, during the election he refused to go after Barack Hussein Obama's associations with Jeremiah Wright. He believes in the junk science known as global warming, and has supported cap-and-trade programs. Another Middle East war, without a goal, without full commitment to win, without Congressional approval- McCain supports the President. It didn't stop there and in July 2011, he called the Tea Party, the people that care about fiscal sanity in Washington, they are "hobbits".

The sacrifices he has made serving this country cannot be overlooked. John McCain has earned war hero status but also the status as a D.C. zero.

? http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/todd-akin-rape-missouri-senate-race-reince-priebus-/1#.UDpUhNZlQ7s? James Carville & Mary Matalin: He Said, She Said? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/15/ohio-sen-portman-now-supports-gay-marriage/? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46578.html? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/56112240-90/civil-com-gay-hatch.html.csp? http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-jeff-flake-arizonas-next-john-mccain/? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/ileana-roslehtinen-become_n_977464.html? GOP senator announces support for Md. same-sex marriage bill? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/us/politics/prominent-republicans-sign-brief-in-support-of-gay-marriage.html?_r=2&? http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/lincoln-chafee-to-switch-parties-sources-say-91994.html

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Prohibition in the United States

(Difference between revisions)This article discusses the particulars of prohibition in the United States of America. For an overview of prohibition throughout the civilized world, see Prohibition.

Prohibition in American parlance typically refers to the movement and body of law that prohibited the manufacture, sale, transport, import, or export of intoxicating liquor within, into, or from the United States of America from 1920 to 1933. It did not make drinking or serving liquor illegal. It was one of the major reforms of the Progressive Era, and was strongly supported by Evangelicals, who were mobilized by the Anti-Saloon League

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see also Taverns

Alcoholic beverages have been part of almost every culture since the beginning of recorded history. But alcohol consumption in colonial America was initially slow to grow. (Beer was a common exception to this, as the colonists and even the early citizens of the Republic preferred beer over the often polluted water.) The colonials and early citizens tended not to forbid alcohol itself but the act of intoxicating oneself with alcohol.[1]

The following Bible verse summarizes the dichotomy of American feelings toward alcohol in America's early years:
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess;... Ephesians 5:18 (KJV)

Alcohol consumption was at a high level in 1850--five times higher than today. Alcohol consumption, primarily of whiskey, rose steadily throughout the first half of the nineteenth century, as whiskey became more plentiful and less expensive.[2]

After the Civil War, especially with the high levels of German immigration, beer became more popular, until in 1890 beer displaced whiskey as the beverage of choice. The saloon appeared. At their height, saloons were so numerous that many places had one saloon for every 200 residents.[3] The saloon existed primarily to sell beer and liquor, but some tolerated gambling and prostitution as well. Most saloons were sponsored by breweries and run by Irish or German ethnics. In cities, the Irish often made them a base for neighborhood politics.

The spectacle of increased liquor consumption, and the unsavory activities associated with its sale, were impetus enough for many concerned citizens. But the bad effects on the men who consumed the highest amounts of liquor were worse. In those times, men were the primary consumers of liquor; women were either not permitted to partake or, more commonly, had little desire to partake. Instead, women observed the bad effects of liquor on their husbands. Carrie Nation[4] became the most famous agitator for a total prohibition against liquor after her first husband died of alcohol-related illnesses. After agitating for various State prohibition laws, she ultimately took the law into her own hands by barging into illegal saloons and using a hatchet to wreck furniture and beer and whiskey barrels. She was arrested some 30 times, and used the honoraria she earned from lecturing to pay her bail.[4]

Even before Carrie Nation began her campaign, politicians everywhere spoke against the consumption of liquor. By 1855, 13 of the 31 states had prohibited liquor entirely; the first prohibition law was passed in Maine in 1840[5]. Abraham Lincoln famously called liquor "an Egyptian angel of death."[6]

In 1873, matters came to a head with the great "Women's War" or "Women's Crusade."[3] The two most famous organizations formed to have liquor tightly regulated, or prohibited entirely, were the Woman's Christian Temperance Union and the Anti-Saloon League. The latter organization began in Ohio in 1893 but swiftly gained national importance. These organizations had one issue: the outright prohibition on the sale of intoxicating liquor. First content with the passage of new State laws, they eventually set a goal to amend the Constitution to prohibit intoxicating liquor nationwide. Another key force was the United States Prohibition Party, founded in 1869.[7][8]

After 1890 the WCTU and the Prohibition Party remained active but were far less important in the political battle for prohibition than the new Anti-Saloon League. The League mobilized evangelical ministers and voters state by state.

The federal election of 1916 saw the election of enough members of Congress to pass in December 1917 a constitutional amendment banning the manufacture, sale, transport, import, and export of alcoholic beverages. But the First World War added another impetus to what became known as the "dry movement." Opposition to Germany meant opposition to german culture, which was heavily involved with beer gardens. the German American were the most important opponents of prohibition, and they were silenced during the war. In terms of effiicency, grain was scarce, and drys argued the distillation of grains to make alcohol was a waste of a vital food resource[9] Indeed, the NIAAA records show a sharp decline in liquor consumption in the five-year period bracketing that war.[3]

Passage of the Eighteenth Amendment in Congress was swift. In January 20, 1919, the amendment achieved ratification. Pursuant to the amendment's terms, the amendment took effect on January 16, 1920. In October 28, 1920, Congress, acting on its "power to enforce" the amendment, passed the National Prohibition Act or Volstead Act[10], named for US Representative Andrew J. Volstead (R-MN),[11] which defined an alcoholic beverage as anything containing more than 0.5% ethanol by volume and providing for strict enforcement.

Enforcement was largely in the hands of the Internal Revenue Service, which is why agents of the still-extant Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms are still called "revenuers" today. Arguably the most famous "revenuers" of all time were Eliot Ness, who operated in Chicago, Illinois, and the team of Isadore Einstein and Moe Smith in New York City.[9] These were the most dedicated of the 2500 "Prohibition agents" who enforced the law at the height of federal enforcement efforts. Sadly, these men operated on a shoestring national budget ($5 million US at first, later increased to $300 million) and were vastly outmatched in numbers and resources. Worse yet, many politicians still partook of intoxicating liquor themselves, leading to a widespread perception of people in authority as hypocritical.

The latter part of the thirteen years of prohibition saw the rise of organized criminal gangs in virtually every city in the country, and the manufacture of liquor on a small scale at millions of locations.[12] This was the era of "speakeasies" (liquor-selling establishments that admitted people by invitation only and on the speaking of a password),[13] "bootleggers" (those who smuggled alcoholic drink either for their own consumption or for sale), and of a general contempt for the law. Al Capone, the most famous "gangster" in US history, built a vast and sprawling empire on the profits from the distribution of illicit liquor. (Ultimately the IRS obtained evidence of tax evasion against him, and upon conviction on that charge he was sent to prison.

The original Volstead Act provided a medical exception to prohibition, in that a person could have a doctor prescribe alcohol to him.[14] Many willing doctors wrote prescriptions, often on highly dubious premises.[15]

The government continued to expect cooperation with the authorities to the end, and issued two scathing reports calling for tougher enforcement in 1927[16] and 1931.[17]

The "speakeasy" (or "blind pig") was an illegal bar operated during prohibition (1920-33, and even longer in some states). Most taverns stopped serving alcohol. Drinkers found out-of-the-way speakeasies that would serve them,. They owners had to buy illegal beer and liquor from criminal syndicates (the most famous was run by Al Capone in Chicago), and had to pay off the police to look the other way. The result was an overall decrease in drinking and an enormous increase organized crime, gang warfare and civic corruption, as well as a decline in tax revenue.

The Great Depression dramatically depressed tax revenues for state and local government. The "wet" forces, never dormant nor idle, quickly created a public perception that if only the beverage industry were legitimate once again, many of these suddenly unemployed workers could be gainfully employed once again.[15] The Association Against the Prohibition Amendment, led by Catholic Democrats, quickly capitalized on this perception and ran candidates for Congress who favored repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment.

In Florida, for example, during 1928-32 a broad coalition of judges, lawyers, politicians, journalists, brewers, hoteliers, retailers, and ordinary wet Floridians joined together to repeal the ban on alcohol. When the federal government legalized near beer and light wine in 1933, the wet coalition launched a successful campaign to legalize these beverages at the state level. Floridians subsequently joined in the national campaign to repeal the 18th Amendment, which succeeded in December 1933. The following November, state voters repealed Florida's constitutional ban on liquor and gave local governments the power to legalize or outlaw alcoholic beverages.[18]

Women were influential in the fight to repeal national prohibition, especially through the Women's Organization for National Prohibition Reform (WONPR). Led by Mrs. Pauline Sabin, the group consisted primarily of middle and upper class women who viewed prohibition as a failure in terms of diminishing the consumption of alcoholic beverages, feared the influence of the speakeasy on the morals of the young, and believed taxes on alcoholic beverages were a needed source of government revenue. The WONPR combated the propaganda of the Women's Christian Temperance Union, supported anti-prohibition candidates for political office, and generally operated in an independent fashion. The group's activities during the late 1920's and early 1930's suggest a revision of the view that the women's movement declined in strength and influence following the adoption of the woman suffrage amendment.[19]


Congress did pass the Twenty-first Amendment and, in an unprecedented move, bypassed the State legislatures and called for the special election of ratification conventions in the several States. Thirty-eight of these conventions--two more than needed--passed repeal in December of 1933. Prohibition was repealed in 1933 and legitimate taverns reopened in most states.

Repeal did not begin immediately. States retained the right, under the new amendment, to regulate or even prohibit liquor as they saw fit. Although no States prohibit liquor today, different States have different regulations governing its manufacture, sale, and transport. (For example, some States allow the private sales of liquor, while others insist that all liquor be sold in "State Stores" operated by State alcoholic beverage control boards.) Liquor is still prohibited in some counties, even if not State-wide. And practically no State allows minors to purchase, attempt to purchase, consume, or transport intoxicating liquor.

Islam prohibits the imbibing of alcohol in all its founding documents. This has recently led to the spectacle of Muslim taxi drivers refusing to pick up fares in the United States who are transporting alcoholic beverages.[20]

A large body of misinformation persists about the effects of prohibition and of its eventual repeal. To begin with, the per capita consumption of intoxicating liquors declined significantly during this period.[3][6] In addition, two economists estimated that the prevalence of cirrhosis of the liver declined by ten to twenty percent during the Prohibition era.[21]

Crime did rise, and this consisted chiefly of direct flouting of the law and the spectacle of members of rival gangs killing one another in all-out wars for "territories" in the major cities, especially in Chicago. But perceptions of a massive crime wave are grossly exaggerated.[6] Sadly, what is not exaggerated are the reports of widespread contempt for the law and for all authority, and the establishment of powerful organized crime syndicates in the United States.

One often overlooked effect, not so much of prohibition per se as of the movement that established it, is women's suffrage. Women did not seriously agitate for the vote until they had a rallying issue. That issue was prohibition, and the concern of these women was that the men would simply vote to continue to enjoy their liquor, and women would continue to feel the secondary effects of desertion of the home, domestic physical abuse, and neglect of the husband's duty to provide. Ironically, women did not definitively win the vote (the Nineteenth Amendment) until after prohibition was already a part of the Constitution.

The NIAAA data compiled by Kerr[3] clearly show that alcohol consumption sank to a bottom in 1933 and has been rising ever since. Today the per capita consumption of liquor is higher than ever. So, too, are its bad effects, effects that any person, not merely any specially affected subgroup, may feel under the right circumstances.[22]

Repeal did not destroy the organized criminal gangs. Instead of selling alcohol, they moved on to other illicit activities. These gangs, of course, persist today.

At least one motion picture and one long-running television series had their basis in the career of Eliot Ness. Another television project drew its basis from the careers of Isadore Einstein and Moe Smith, though this was clearly a comedy.

Al Capone has been the subject of many motion picture projects about his life and career. In some of these projects his character is the leading character; in others he is a force-of-nature who affects the lives of others.

CBS-TV had a comedy series in the early 1970's that centered on an illicit bar operator and his mobster cousin in 1920's Chicago. Many other television and motion picture projects were set in or shortly after the Prohibition era and sometimes featured bootleggers as minor or major characters. In other projects, some characters would challenge the judgmental attitude of other characters who had lived during the Prohibition era, typically by asking them whether they never took an illicit drink when the sale of liquor was illegal. (Such lines often perpetuated the common misconception that the consumption of intoxicating liquor by adults, as distinct from its manufacture, sale, transport, import, or export, was unlawful.)

At least one comedy motion picture was made about prohibition's repeal. That project featured a gangster who tried to "go legit" after prohibition ended.

In an episode of The Simpsons, Homer becomes a bootlegger after it is discovered the towns prohibition laws were never repealed.

The Prohibition Party has continued to sponsor candidates for office. The party divided in 2003 over dissatisfaction with party leader Earl F. Dodge Jr. The smaller faction held its national convention in Dodge's living room and nominated him for a sixth time. This faction appeared on the ballot only in Colorado and received 140 votes. The larger faction of the party, called the Webb faction, nominated Gene C. Amondson for President. Amondson ran as the Prohibition nominee in Louisiana, where he won 1,566 votes, and in Colorado under the "Concerns of People" Party, receiving 378 votes.[23] Amondson received the most votes for a Prohibition Party nominee since 1988 and was the first Prohibition Presidential nominee to outpoll all other third party candidates in any county since 1960.[24]

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Anyone who abuses this website; anyone who abuses the authority and ownership of this website by ASchlafly; anyone who comes in this website out of the blue and demands changes to the site like they own it; anyone who harasses others within this website; will be thrown out by me without warning. Karajou 21:09, 1 August 2011 (EDT)

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In response to your little rant elsewhere, no, Sammy, you were not thrown out for making a mere "article" if that's what you can call it. You were thrown out for incivility, for attitude problems, for constant sock creation (we have records!), for trolling...for pretty much acting like you can bad-mouth this site from elsewhere while expecting - if not demanding - to edit in it. Have a nice day. Karajou 12:24, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

In addition to being proved a thief, you've proven yourself to be a lying little leftist thug. You really think you can come into this website and force your own way of thinking on us? In the end, Sammy, all you've ever done was to prove we were right about you and your kind all along. Do have a splendid day. Karajou 15:46, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

I was once DorMouse. I promise that I am here to edit in good faith, if you look at my previous contribs, I have done nothing to hurt this website. As I said at Ameriwiki and ASk, I will continue contributing here, in good faith, regardless of blocks.

NB I do not know who JonM is/was, contrary to what the lovely block reason says. I use a dynamic IP owned by Telus, if that helps you.

19:05, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

Ps, my real name is Brenden. I am a closeted gay. PPS: Simply because I am gay, does not mean I want to harm CP. I will continue editing here in good faith, regardless of blocks. If you want to get an idea of what I will add here, you can visit me at ASk or Ameriwiki.

Final note: I apologize for using multiple accounts and a fake name in my first account. I vigorously defend that I do not know who JonM was, or his/her various socks. I am not here to troll you, or your companions; I simply hope to make Conservapedia better.19:08, 17 April 2012 (EDT)


Hello Karajou, I got your request to provide references to my contributions. I am a beginner, so I am learning. My first contribution "Psittacosis" is definitely lacking references, so I will provide them soon. "Statins" have references in the poor, non-standard form of the list at the end of the article; but otherwise they are sufficient, aren't they? On my contributions to "Illegal Immigration": I think you have deleted them all, am I wrong? I still think in such public issues as immigration there is room for common observations, not necessarily rigorously referenced. I would appreciate your instructing me in my learning process. Muteswan

I've improved the formatting of the references on the Statins page. Hopefully from my changes you'll be able to see how the formatting works, for future reference. If not, just ask.--CPalmer 10:49, 17 May 2012 (EDT)

American young earth creationism increased in the last two years - Gallup survey. Question evolution! campaign and other efforts of creationists are working!.[1]

It is so good to be a Bible believing creationist! It is so easy to crush the pseudoscience of evolutionism. It merely takes getting the anti-evolution message out there.[2][3] Conservative 07:50, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Could we try adding the string "EnidBlyton" to mediawiki:TitleBlacklist, assuming we have the extension?brenden 20:48, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

Thanks for deleting the vandalized pages. AugustO 13:45, 18 June 2012 (EDT)

You're welcome. Karajou 13:49, 18 June 2012 (EDT)

My edits were based on sourced information which in turn were based on federal tax records. You reverted my edits without explanation. DanielGerrard 19:34, 20 June 2012 (EDT)

Then get the federal tax records instead of relying on a liberal rag that supports a woman's "right" to kill an unborn child. Karajou 20:27, 20 June 2012 (EDT) I'll add that the Washington Post is not a credible source when it comes to social issues. If PP's whole business model only generates 3% of their profits from abortion, it's a lie. Multiple credible sources have documented that Planned Parenthood, first and foremost, is the largest killer of unborn children. That they will abort for any reason. That their breast studies are a rouse, they don't even own one mammography machine. --Jpatt 20:34, 20 June 2012 (EDT)

Dear Karajou,

I noticed that you recently deleted Canicattì massacre as a copyright violation, but it appears that you quoted part of the text of the article in the deletion log. I just wanted to remind you to check the log entry that will be produced and redact it appropriately before you delete a page. Thanks! GregG 20:57, 24 June 2012 (EDT)

Just in case I am not around, enjoy your 4rth of July this year. Conservative 07:14, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

For noticing those pagesbrenden 01:06, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

I noticed you reverted that edit about the name of the UK. Actually the vandal was right about that one, the full official designation of the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Came about after the act of settlement. Wales is a principality and is not and never have been a country, despite what they claim, whereas Scotland is (or was) a kingdom. Just thought I'd mention it. Admitedly the rest of the stuff was rubbish vandalism. Davidspencer 15:46, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

Make the necessary corrections as you see fit. Karajou 15:47, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

G'day. I need a quiet word about USS Sturgeon. Can you email me, please, when you have time. (alan.carvel@gmail.com.) Thanks. AlanE 00:13, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

Sent. Karajou 01:33, 5 July 2012 (EDT) Thanks AlanE 16:36, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

Could you explain a few things to me please? According to which definition of "trolling" whatever I've done on this encyclopedia was trolling? Was expressing an opinion in Talk:Adolf Hitler, with quotes and sources to prove my point, trolling? Why my edits in Law and Justice and Unia Polityki Realnej articles were reverted? Is developing articles trolling? I practically created the whole Law and Justice article which was only two sentences before and, thanks to you, it is now. How was it "trolling"? W.J.M. 18:06, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

The explanation was included in the block reason, which you read, and I don't have to explain further. Karajou 00:10, 9 July 2012 (EDT) You wrote that I was "trolling in talk pages". This is not an explanation why my edits in Law and Justice and Unia Polityki Realnej were reverted. I wouldn't bother to ask again but I just don't know if there is any sense for me to edit anything here if it can be randomly labelled as "trolling" without any reason. W.J.M. 09:55, 9 July 2012 (EDT)

The page has no edit function, presumably because my account is recent? Maybe you might like to reconsider your harsh words. Pdorme 17:24, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

The page was unlocked, and not due to you being recent. If anyone needs to reconsider harsh words, it is you. You DO NOT come into THIS or ANY other website online and act as though you have rights here. Karajou 17:27, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

The claim that the Second Law of Thermodynamics disproves the Theory of Evolution has been discussed at length on this talk page. With all due respect, the arguments made by yourself and Mr. Schlafly are based on a misunderstanding of the law. The sources cited by User:Conservative in the article are guilty of the same faulty line of reasoning. Since the talk page discussion ended after I responded to Mr. Schlafly, I thought that might have cleared things up. Apparently not, since you still insist on keeping the claim in the article.

In reality, everything does not always become more disordered. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says no such thing, and this cannot be used as an argument against evolution. Individual objects/materials/subsystems can have decreases in entropy (increases in "order"), while overall net entropy (including surroundings) increases, satisfying the Second Law. Please let me know if this is unclear. --Randall7 21:27, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

The Second Law is quite clear, and I have made myself very clear on this, in that everything becomes disordered over time. You cannot hide that fact, nor can you walk away from it, nor can you ignore it, nor can you change it. It is on that point that evolution cannot work, and that article will show it. Karajou 21:50, 11 July 2012 (EDT) And I thought I made it clear that you have some severe misconceptions about what the Second Law of Thermodynamics actually says. It's a shame your mind is already made up about this matter, otherwise you just might learn something. Best regards, --Randall7 19:10, 13 July 2012 (EDT) Sorry to disagree with you Randall, but it is you with the closed mind; the evidence is all around you, but you just can't see the forest for the trees. Regards, Karajou 14:23, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

Dear Karajou,

It seems that you protected the page before deleting it. Currently, the settings allow a new page to be created with this same title. Was this your intent? GregG 08:58, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

Yes. Karajou 14:23, 16 July 2012 (EDT) Why delete Gallery of obese Christians and keep Gallery of obese atheists? Is it CP's policy to only brand obese people using negative labels? SharonW 14:43, 16 July 2012 (EDT) You don't have room to talk, SharonW. I'm very, very much aware of the "negative labels" you inflicted on a certain individual from within another website, as well as colluding with others to steal that website from him. Karajou 15:40, 16 July 2012 (EDT) I left Conservapedia because of the obesity equals all evil articles that are prolific here. What happened at the other site was the direct result of behavior over at the other site. The founder treated me rudely in private emails even though I had not done anything to earn his animosity. Why then would I support him afterward? SharonW 16:17, 16 July 2012 (EDT) The founder of that site OWNED IT. Period. The demand is for you to respect the site's owner and the site's rules. You don't walk into that website or any other site and demand changes to suit you. And from the looks of it, you're still here, and still whining. If you don't like this website; if you don't like any website you are in for that matter, then leave. Karajou 16:24, 16 July 2012 (EDT) No, there was the founder, and then there was the owner. The founder was not the owner; the founder did NOT pay the bills. User:JamesWilson admitted as much to me. Were you not aware of that? SharonW 16:33, 16 July 2012 (EDT) SharonW, I've been talking with George for nearly a year. The rules, the manual of style, the image tags posted on Ameriwiki, I wrote them and sent them directly to him. I also talked with the site's web server over a month ago. So, you know nothing. You've shown your true colors here. I'm ordering you to leave this website. Karajou 16:43, 16 July 2012 (EDT) Don't bring me into this. This is your battle. You usurped the owner of HIS OWN SITE. He would've stayed at the former location if he knew that he would have nothing to do about the hostile takeover of a certain gentleman. --James Wilson 16:40, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

I would like to ask, then, why Gallery of obese atheists not only has not been deleted, but appears to be permanently protected from deletion. I started a deletion discussion on the article, but User:Conservative moved the page, indefinitely protected it, and removed the deletion notice without addressing my concerns. GregG 15:45, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

I am also aware of this page [4]. GregG, you've been here since December, and have less than 1,000 edits. This website is an online encyclopedia, and we have topics within it which makes the liberal left howl. They don't like it when we prove evolution wrong, when we prove atheism wrong, when we show how much damage they have done to this country. So one of their tactics is to come into this site, make a few edits like they're the "good" guys, and then fly into a rage as to how bad user Conservative has been to them. As far as I'm concerned, they can cry me a river...somewhere else. Karajou 16:01, 16 July 2012 (EDT) I can assure you that I am not a part of the liberal left. In fact, I am a registered Republican. I admit that I disagree with some of the positions taken by some contributors on this wiki. I respect their views. What I do have concern about is when editors (and I'm speaking generally here, and not in reference to any one contributor) make contributions that drive away productive contributors and undermine the credibility of Conservapedia as a "trustworthy encyclopedia" and the beliefs that Conservapedia espouses. I can only imagine that if a Buddhist, or a believer in Hinduism, or an atheist comes to Conservapedia in a good faith effort to improve the encyclopedia and have their beliefs maligned at every turn by some contributors, their hearts will be hardened against God, as they may understandably believe every Christian to be like the editors on Conservapedia. It is because I support most of Conservapedia's positions and the entirety of Conservapedia's mission of building a trustworthy encyclopedia from a Christian conservative perspective that I spend time writing out my concerns in the hopes that they will be listened to. GregG 16:16, 16 July 2012 (EDT) Then the thing to do is 1) respectfully disagree; and 2) drop the subject and move on with something else. The howling left doesn't like to do that, and they're still howling. Karajou 16:28, 16 July 2012 (EDT) Thank you for the advice. One quick question: what would you suggest doing if a contributor (again, speaking generally, and not in reference to any particular user) comments on my faith; beliefs on the age of the earth, creation, or evolution; or physical stature and I don't want to debate or discuss those topics? I'm serious; I do want to know what to do for future reference. In hindsight, perhaps my foray into a QE! blog post at Talk:Main Page today was ill-advised, and I should not have commented. GregG 17:11, 16 July 2012 (EDT) Hi, just wanted to register my respectful disagreement with the 'gallery of obese atheists' page. I think deleting the 'gallery of obese christians' was a good start, but it would be nice if we got rid of both of them. thanks,Cmurphynz 01:17, 19 July 2012 (EDT) The point that I think you are missing CMurphy, is that the link between obesity and atheism is established and accepted to the standards required here at Conservapedia. Any link between some Christians and some obesity is merely incidental and there is no established causal link. Therefore the atheist page needs to stay whilst the Christian page has no place. Don't like it? You need to discuss the matter with User:Conservative, who knows all the relevant facts and the relevant research. --DamianJohn 02:34, 19 July 2012 (EDT) @DamionJohn: You are far too obvious.--VPropp 15:05, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

No, Sammyboy, you bring it on. You bring your little records, your little face, and make your case in front of me while we both face a U.S. Federal judge. Let's see if you got the guts to do so. Karajou 18:12, 17 July 2012 (EDT)

What's with all of the instant blocks on the site? I hope you're sure these people are causing trouble because I'd hate to think that valid conservatives could be getting banned for no reason. How do you know Scramon5 for example deserves a block? Furthermore, why are so many blocks being made for infinite time or years? --Jzyehoshua 03:34, 22 July 2012 (EDT)

I'm looking, and a lot of these people have no contributions, no talk pages, no user pages whatsoever. How are you able to decide right away they need to be blocked? I'm confused. Maybe I'm just not seeing something. IP addresses maybe? --Jzyehoshua 03:36, 22 July 2012 (EDT)

The many user names who you see getting blocked are actually just a few individuals who like to leave spam, like to harass, like to vandalize, and so on. Yes, I check them out first. See the message immediately below the warning sign at the top of this page. I won't play around with people who abuse this website. Karajou 04:05, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Just wanting to make sure you're getting the right people. I know you mis-assumed my Jzy account was involved with three accounts I've never heard of before. So I'm more than a little skeptical about your methods, because you sure got me wrong, that's for sure. I just wanted to make sure you're not banning wrong people and intentionally destroying the site's community, that's all. --Jzyehoshua 04:34, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Just how exactly do you know these people are vandals, anyway, if you don't mind me asking? They have no posting history. That leaves IP address I guess. But if that were the case, then how in the world did you think I was related to 3 accounts I never heard of before? You must be pretty loose with your IP tracking if so... I'd just like to know that you're not removing valid contributors. I've never seen a wiki just let admins block people right away, non-stop, who've never contributed before like this. It really looks bad, just let me say that, blocking people all the time who've left no evidence yet they are vandals. --Jzyehoshua 04:40, 22 July 2012 (EDT) I mean, I saw you completely misunderstand my Jzy account and call it related to 3 accounts I never heard of. And now I see you banning accounts which have zero posting history. Maybe you do know what you're doing with this. But right now it's pretty hard to understand how that can be the case, and I at least would like to have a better understanding of what's going on here, because frankly it looks like you're just guessing and maybe even deliberately sabotaging the site by kicking out new users who want to contribute. --Jzyehoshua 04:50, 22 July 2012 (EDT) And how did I misunderstand your Jzy account? Explain that one to me, by first explaining the significance of your IP address 141.0.8.155. Karajou 05:02, 22 July 2012 (EDT) You've got my IP address completely wrong. Maybe you need to update your software. My IP shows up here as 98.220.198.49. I can post again here or anywhere else that shows IP address if you don't believe me. This computer does have a router with several computers on it, but I don't know why that would make much difference. You think that's my IP though? Isn't that a Kansas IP address? You are WAYYY off, I'm in Illinois. --Jzyehoshua 05:16, 22 July 2012 (EDT) North Illinois to boot. I'm not too far from Chicago. That can't even be within 200 miles of me. This is just a regular desktop. I do have my settings configured to prevent cookies using a program called Vanilla Cookie Manager, a Chrome extension. I'm not even using Opera right now as my browser. I've got NO idea how you got that IP address. That is not even close... --Jzyehoshua 05:19, 22 July 2012 (EDT) That IP address came directly from your account as Jzy; you are the one who used it. Opera Software ASA, a confirmed proxy server, and that IP was also attached to four other names who vandalized the site. Karajou 05:29, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Well, I can login again to the Jzy account right now, though I don't know why that would make any difference. As far as I know I'm the only person using that account and that IP address shouldn't be anywhere near my location. I have no idea how you got that IP address for the Jzy account. Should be the same IP address for both accounts. I suppose I did buy a new computer recently on eBay, but that was from a guy in Colorado, which should still be nowhere near Kansas. I might have logged in via it at one point, but it's still through the same internet connection here in Illinois. Something's sure not adding up here. --Jzyehoshua 05:36, 22 July 2012 (EDT) I'm logged into the Jzy account now also, that one through Firefox, this one through Google Chrome. Same IP result? Or is it giving different results for both accounts? --Jzyehoshua 05:39, 22 July 2012 (EDT) IPs are picked up and recorded by most websites online, including all Mediawiki-based sites. Type something in using the Jzy account. Karajou 05:45, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Well, since the Jzy account is banned, where could I type it in at? I'm using the same computer to log into both accounts right now. I just can't write anything with the Jzy one. --Jzyehoshua 06:03, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Well, I'm going to assume that something in the Opera browser you said you had routed your internet connection through their proxy, and did so without you knowing it. The Jzy account is unblocked, I'm off to do whatever it is I do, so goodnight. Karajou 06:11, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Still blocked it looks like, or I'd post here with it so you can figure out the IP address. I still can't figure out how you got different IP addresses for the same location like that though. I wouldn't think different computers at the same address and internet connection should give completely different IPs, because that's the only thing I can think of. --Jzyehoshua 06:17, 22 July 2012 (EDT) Still no edit abilities for the Jzy one. It doesn't really matter though. However, I was editing back then through another computer, but again, it was through the same router at the same location. The other computer's having some unmountable boot volume issue now, so I haven't been using it the last few weeks. I still don't know why using it would alter IP address though, it shouldn't, since they're on the same internet connection. I thought IP was related to internet connection primarily, not the computer itself. The only way that would change anything is if going through the router is messing up the IP address for secondary computers. That'd be one big difference though, from a 98 IP address to a 141, for the same location. --Jzyehoshua 16:23, 22 July 2012 (EDT)

Same IP address? I'm using the same computer for both accounts.

Sorry if I came off as rude before by the way. I just get really concerned at the prospect other people on Conservapedia are being banned without reason. I'm happy to do whatever I can to make sure your IP system is working right.

I'm not able to use the computer I was originally using for this account now because again, it's got an unmountable boot volume issue. So before I was logging into this one through a different one. Thing is, they were both at the same location through the same internet connection. I suppose that one would've gone through a router though. --Jzy 16:29, 22 July 2012 (EDT)

The only thing I can think of is that maybe people going through a router rather than using their main computer show up as a 141 IP address for some reason, because there's otherwise no explanation I can think of for how my IP showed up the same as anyone else. As you should be able to see now, this is the same IP address for both accounts here, a 98 IP address. Which means maybe the other computer that's not working now showed up as a 141 address. But that was being used one room away from this one, so why it would show a 40 something difference in range I can't figure out. --Jzy 16:33, 22 July 2012 (EDT)

So what happened with the IPs? Does it show the 141 IP again at all? I'm curious what it's showing for the Jzy account. --Jzyehoshua 05:05, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

I checked, and you're accessing the site through the 98 IP address. It makes it more likely that the Opera software you once had did some unauthorized re-routing. You're good :) Karajou 13:00, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

Okay, just checking. :) I rarely even use Opera as a browser. Maybe I have some bug on the computer or something. I was really surprised I got any IP listed other than the 98 though. I can ban that other account of mine now if you want, I just wanted to show you it's a 98 IP. :) --Jzyehoshua 22:58, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

I suspect you meant apple/opera webkit, a commonly used api for http browsers. Chrome, firefox, opera and ie uses it.brenden 01:17, 22 August 2012 (EDT)

Any chance the people you're banning are in IP ranges, and you're actually seeing the IPs for their service hosts? Because I'm a bit confused why a spammer would create a bunch of accounts all at once like that... At some point, all these deletions look worse than if vandalism were committed. Any chance of waiting until vandalism is committed to act? If the IP address is in fact blocked for a spammer, then how can they be creating new accounts? Or do the new accounts just get blocked automatically? I just worry when I see accounts getting blocked who haven't had any contributions yet, that new users could be getting banned... --Joshua Zambrano 01:35, 28 July 2012 (EDT)

Obviously a wiki can't prosper if it's mistakenly banning all its new users. I'd just like to have as much peace of mind as possible that the right ones are getting banned. --Joshua Zambrano 01:45, 28 July 2012 (EDT)

I'll worry about the trolls; the good guys will still get in. Karajou 03:08, 28 July 2012 (EDT)

You wrote as the block reason for a 3-month block: "90/10 rule: excess of talk rather than edits to substantive entries: just here to gab, spout off how "superior" liberalism is to everything under the sun, and so on like a typical journalist". I counted his extant contributions, and he has 51 contributions to articles and 50 edits to talk and user talk pages (these numbers may be a bit off, since I counted manually and did not use an automated script). Of course, there might be edits that were deleted from the database that I don't know about (but that you would have considered). I trust your ultimate judgment, of course, but I think that a 3-month block for 51 article contributions and 50 talk page edits seems excessive, especially for behavior that does not appear to quantitatively violate 90/10. Thanks for your consideration, GregG 21:01, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

Perhaps you are right. I'm going to remove the block, and count it as excessive. Karajou 21:06, 7 August 2012 (EDT) Thanks for the quick response! GregG 21:10, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

There's lots of vandalism happening at the moment and I can't revert some of it - can you help? EJamesW 14:29, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

Did rigger45 really hack the air force or were you joking in your block summary? Georgrdarwinclark 21:43, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

Why do you need to know? Karajou 22:01, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

Hi Karajou, would you please email me? nate46373 at gmail. Thanks. Nate 22:40, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

Crush evolutionism like an aluminum can.jpgKarajou, Nate is seeing the writing on the wall that the religion of evolutionism is going to be further crushed and it is upsetting to him. Don't pay attention to his evolutionist pleading via email. Tell Nate that you think evolutionism needs to further be crushed and the faster it happens the better.

Nate needs to debate the 15 questions for evolutionists in a recorded debate that will distributed to 20,000 people. Tell him to contact Shockofgod or VivaRamones at http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 to set up the debate.Conservative 08:01, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

Guy, I'm Christian. Catholic. My religion is not "evolutionist". You know this. I'd rather debate you. I've challenged you before. You're the one who makes strong claims. Defend them. My Opus Dei center has a spearkerphone that can record calls. Let me know when you want to do the recorded debate and you can put it on Youtube. I don't know how to do it but you talk about it so much I'm sure you do. I am looking forward to hearing from you. I put my email address up there. Nate 00:07, 8 September 2012 (EDT) It is a religion: "Michael Ruse, evolutionist science philosopher admitted, 'Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.'" Given the high traffic evolution/atheism articles, I have no shortage of unreasonable people wanting to debate me so you have to bring something bigger to the table to spark my interest. Ask fellow evolutionist Richard Dawkins to participate in the debate (Given his recent big loss in web traffic, he may want to participate). :) Conservative 00:20, 8 September 2012 (EDT) Are you saying I am not Christian? If you don't want to debate me why do you personally insult me and my Church? Going out of your way to do that and then complaining that I'm not bringing enough to the table for you to debate me looks like cowardice. Who is the unreasonable one? You keep talking about debating. It's not like you're too busy! Let's set up a very short debate so you can prove you have some machismo. I think you have none. I suggest we debate something fundamental so that I can prove to our audience that you know nothing except where your quotes are. I think you're just afraid you'll lose a theology debate to a guy who works in a steel plant. Prove me wrong. Nate 09:33, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

I have no problem with people who work in steel plants. Tomorrow, I am attending a gathering with a man who works at a steel plant. Nevertheless, you are still going to have to bring a lot more to the table to spark my interest. Consider asking members of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences to participate in the debate. I don't think that will help you though as they no doubt cannot satisfactorily answer the 15 questions for evolutionists.

By the way, User: GregG wrote to the Roman Catholic scientist Ken Miller some time ago about the 15 questions for evolutionists. He hasn't received a response. No doubt it was just an oversight on Ken Miller's part. :) Conservative 22:36, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

I think he's busy (he has an actual job). Nevertheless, it is interesting that he has not even auto-replied or declined. I can try contacting him by phone, though. GregG 23:32, 8 September 2012 (EDT) Nate, I think you can say Ciao! Ciao! to evolutionism! [5] I am open to debating you. You just have to give me an offer I can't refuse! :) Arrivederci! Conservative 01:41, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

Creationist benchmark is hit and exceeded in the United States

Creation Ministries International breaks through key USA key benchmark! The first Question evolution! sound barrier has been breached. Watch the campaign grow faster and faster and faster. USA! USA! USA! Conservative 05:19, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

Sound barrier.jpg

Hi. This edit should be re-reverted; it's a redirect fixing an error in the title of the article (upper-case "T" for "the"), bringing it to the correct page. I'll do it, I just didn't want you to think I was reverting you for no good reason. Thanks. MattyD 12:25, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

I have no problem with your reversion. Karajou 12:37, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

Could you please take a look here? Many thanks. MattyD 09:59, 16 September 2012 (EDT)

you just blocked 11 users in five minutes. not bad :)Cmurphynz 02:17, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

Apparently, those claiming the immanent death of this wiki are not aware that I have a myriad of aces up my sleeves! Behold, Wikilog!

"Creativity is just connecting things. When you ask creative people how they did something, they feel a little guilty because they didn't really do it, they just saw something. It seemed obvious to them after a while. That's because they were able to connect experiences they've had and synthesize new things." - Steve Jobs

Untold contributors and web traffic is just on the cusp of the horizon! Conservative 20:30, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

This requires a new version of Mediawiki, that CP does not support. Also, I cannot imagine it would be helpful at all in the goal of being an encyclopedia.brenden 20:51, 24 September 2012 (EDT) "This requires a new version of Mediawiki, that CP does not support." Leave it up to a liberal to raise a trifling objection. Gentlemen, we can upgrade our wiki. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first online conservative encyclopedia with timely essays. Our wiki will be that wiki. Better than it was before. Better, stronger, faster![6] :) Conservative 21:05, 24 September 2012 (EDT) By the way, once the efforts to raise the prominence of Conservapedia's abortion article commence, I am looking forward to embed a pro-life video on the Conservapedia abortion article. Andy REALLY liked that idea. I previously embedded a pro-creation video on Conservapedia so it shouldn't be that hard to embed videos on Conservapedia since it was done before. In fact, we might be able to do it now. It is just a matter of time before all my extension requests are granted. :) Conservative 21:43, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

One other thing, speaking of upgrades, I plan on upgrading one of my prior initiatives to a whole new level. :) Plus, I plan on reintroducing a previous initiative of mine and bringing it to a whole new level too. :) Conservative 22:24, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

Can you help support my request for an upgrade of the software so we can cover subjects with an ampersand in their titles like AT&T Mobility v. Concepcion? Thanks, GregG ::22:38, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

Maybe that will come with a new MediaWiki upgrade required for Wikilog. Conservative 22:43, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

Karajou, have heard from Miss G lately? I was going to show her some of the pro-life content at Conservapedia.Conservative 22:43, 24 September 2012 (EDT) You know Peter LaBarbera really liked the some of the very well sourced articles I created. Do you think Wikilog could open a lot more conservative blogger doors? Something to consider, isn't? Conservative 22:52, 24 September 2012 (EDT) Given I can't seem to put stuff on your talk page Conservative and you seem to be active here I'll put this here. I've had a few ideas on the Christianity/Atheism and success/lack of in motorsport. These include people like Mark Webber thanking "the man upstairs" for lucky breaks and the like in races (and no I don't think he is meaning the stewards). Jenson Button and Felipe Massa also say similar things. Robert Kubica would be a good example to as he was carrying an item of Pope John Paul II (can't remember what it is) in his race suit when he had his massive crash during the 2007 Canadian GP in which he was lucky to only get a few cuts and a mild concussion (which was the reason why he didn't race in the next race due to the FIA's very strict and appropriate policy on concussions). He also had the same item with him when he won his first race in canada the following year and when he survived the crash he had in a rally car, in which was only 1cm from being impaled by a guard rail. Alex Zanardi, also a devout christian, survived an accident in germany in 2001, in which both his legs where amputated and he only had less than a litre of blood in his body (something which was thought to be unservivable at the time) his recovery is just as remarkable with him winning 2 gold medals in hand cycling at the recent paralympics in London. I have a few more ideas if you are interested. Regards Dvergne 23:02, 24 September 2012 (EDT) Contact NASCAR. Tell them your idea. Maybe they think their customers need convincing that atheism is bad and they will help you out.Conservative 23:21, 24 September 2012 (EDT) Nascar followers are fine they don't need convincing, its some of the F1 fans that need convincing (and thier number is tiny compared to the amount who follow and watch F1 as there are about 200 million viewers for every grand prix). Sorry to be of nuisance to you, I'll try and start the essay myself and see if you have any pointers. It's more the F1 blogs I'm aiming for as they are always eager for new stories so they can increase their page views as most use that to be part of the F1 travelling circus (ie go the all the GP's) Regards Dvergne 23:28, 24 September 2012 (EDT) Very well, lets bring this up on the Conservapedia:Community Portalbrenden 00:04, 25 September 2012 (EDT) I do however have a couple of contacts with Racing for Jesus and Racing for a reason that may be interested in the question evolution campaign by putting a couple of logos on their cars. Dvergne 00:34, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

Cheers for blocking the spammers, all they are doing is wasting time, both ours and theirs. If I ever see a user with a nonsensical name that has just created an account I always mark their talk page as spam, does doing this not allow them to write anything in it because they never seem to be able to put their rubbish there if I do that. Do you know if there is any was to blog users from registering if they have a username over a certain length, or if their username is just random letter ? Kind Regards --Dvergne 03:14, 3 October 2012 (EDT)

Cheers for blocking user:Mn18Hp23. I undid the other edits he made as he added some liberal lies to the pages. Regards. Dvergne 21:39, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

I read this recently at a wiki inhabited by many tightfisted atheists:

"That leaves us in a bit of a conundrum. Doing nothing will mean that our community is now "capped" at what it can support and further growth can not be supported. It means relying on technical issues and slow response to drive down or drive away additional traffic. This keeps our "costs" the same but is not ideal, and may ultimately be a destructive path to take. But doing something requires some major changes." See: Atheism and uncharitableness

What to do, what to do! How about a paywall like the liberals at the New York Times are doing? That wouldn't work. Who would pay to view that website? Nobody! It doesn't even have a Wikipedia article on it despite the fact that Wikipedia has a large, liberal, atheist contingent. Conservative 03:23, 8 October 2012 (EDT)

I tried to add some text to the cartoon, but wasn't allowed to do so:

"On Thursday October 11 2012, the Democratic Vice President Joe Biden and the Republican candidate for this office, Congressman Paul Ryan hold their only debate before the Presidential Election 2012."

I'd appreciate such a text to be included either under the cartoon or at the page of the cartoon to give a visitor to the main page some links into Conservapedia: as I said repeatedly, the Template:Mainpageleft should - well - lure a reader deeper into this site.

AugustO 08:11, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

Sorry to disappoint you, but I add captions and/or dialogue to the cartoons prior to posting, and no captions will be included afterwards. Karajou 12:05, 15 October 2012 (EDT) I don't think of a caption, more of a subtitle. But if this doesn't please you, perhaps this text could be added to the page of File:VP_debate.jpg. Then a visitor who clicks on the cartoon doesn't end in a cul-de-sac, but will find some more links into content of Conservapedia. AugustO 13:15, 15 October 2012 (EDT) Like a "read more about it" type of thing. I could go with that concept. Karajou 13:43, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

Hi, I've made a more visually friendly template for the periodic table, which can be seen on my talk page. Given you made the current version, would it be possible to replace the that template version with the one I have created. Regards --Dvergne 22:10, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

Yes, by all means. Your version looks good. Karajou 01:06, 16 October 2012 (EDT) Cheers Dvergne 01:18, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Might be best if you just archive it so we can start a new one. It is pretty long at the moment. Cheers for blocking him by the way, Although I don't agree with conservatives latest posting (I find some of the content quite offensive) I don't think that abuse is the way to solve problems. regards Dvergne 01:15, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

Hello. I am a new editor here. I happened across the article for E-Sword, and noted that it has not been updated in about 5 years. The page was protected due to vandalism at the time. I would like to update the page, as the program has been significantly improved since that time. Since you are the one who protected the page (based on the page history), I wanted to ask you if it would be possible to unprotect the page so that I can edit it. Would that be possible, or is there some other preferred approach? Thanks in advance for your time! --Nouniquenames 00:06, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

Yes, please make improvements. Karajou 00:07, 18 October 2012 (EDT) Thank you! --Nouniquenames 00:31, 18 October 2012 (EDT) The page is updated now, in case you wanted to look over it. A request is in for an updated screenshot. Also, as I don't know who to ask this, when does the edit lock unlock in the morning? My understanding was that it is an overnight thing. Thankfully, it seems to engage after 02:00 EDT (01:00 EST). One of the times I can edit is until approximately then. I understood it to unlock again in the morning, but I have been unable to edit as late as around 14:00 EDT (13:00 EST). I was hoping to be able to do some late morning / early afternoon editing before work as my schedule allows. Can you confirm that the lock is working correctly or give me some guidance with it? --Nouniquenames 01:50, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

thanks for unlocking the page. fixed it a bit. Cmurphynz 11:15, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

I attempted to create a redirect at [7] from the short form C&MA to the Christian & Missionary Alliance (which uses that as a short-form reference). The software does not seem to like the ampersand, and treats the typed text as "C" (which seems to redirect logically to the programming language).

It may be best, if possible, to delete the redirect I created. I wanted to bring it to your attention. --Nouniquenames 13:45, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

Deleted. Karajou 14:28, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

Nice to see the bird articles are being updated. I didn't really want the page to be deleted, what i wanted was to spark a discussion to see if we want to keep these pages in the project. Dvergne 03:28, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

The original idea for Conservapedia is that it is to be a family-friendly online encyclopedia, so we are expanding and adding a great deal to it. Birds included.  :) Karajou 03:34, 21 October 2012 (EDT) Would it be ok if I started writing / finishing some of the bird articles ? Dvergne 03:02, 22 October 2012 (EDT) Yes it is OK; pick any article. Karajou 03:04, 22 October 2012 (EDT) There seems to be a lack of australian parrots I will start making them. But will need you to upload the pics when I need that to happen. Double-check the categories; I believed I uploaded most of them here: [8] Karajou 03:33, 22 October 2012 (EDT) You haven't done cockatiel yet :( Dvergne 08:36, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

On a completely unrelated topic, I found that there are a ton of articles an boats from AA to well AG, they seem like they are just cut and pastes from the dictionary of american warships. Why are they there and should they be deleted or should the project be continued. Given they are just cut and pastes from the dictionary or american warships I would personally think that those taken word for word from there be deleted unless the ship is especially noteworthy. Dvergne 08:36, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

I agree. But our detractors love hitting us with "plagiarism" charges about these and similar articles made from material in the public domain, and I think these articles should remain as a testimony against them. It's because they like Wikipedia so much that they cannot tolerate anyone else doing the exact same thing Wikipedia editors have done themselves. Karajou 11:27, 23 October 2012 (EDT) Fair enough, I just think that if people where looking for info on those ships they probably would have gone to the source (as the author of those articles on this site did. Back to birds, would it be possible to have more than one image for birds like the cockatiel and budgie who can have vastly differences between the domesticated and wild plumage ? Dvergne 23:11, 23 October 2012 (EDT) I'll probably delete many ship articles anyway, because of the lack of noteworthiness you mentioned. As to adding more bird pics, yes, that will happen as needed. There are differences between male and female, wild and domestic, and so on, and we'll add them in. Karajou 23:26, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

Hello: I see you reverted my addition of detail to the article above. The article is fairly short and lacks some detail. I wrote it on a break this afternoon. I was not at home to cite from my library, but did not think it substantial changes. It is correct info. per: Weale, Adrian (2010), The SS: A New History, pp. 164, 168.; Lumsden, Robin (2002), A Collector's Guide To: The Allgemeine – SS, pp. 83, 84 and McNab, Chris (2009), The SS: 1923–1945, p. 158. I certainly don't want any problems, herein. This is a good website and I am sorry you guys have to spend so many hours on vandalism and spam. Anyway, I will be happy to cite the entries, if you would like. Cheers, John.

May you pls. unlock this page, I believe the reasons for locking it have disappeared (activity of this user). I'd like to have a chance to work occasionally on that page, if possible, thanx.--AK 09:52, 25 October 2012 (EDT)

I added a section to the King Tiger Tank article as to the Jagdtiger. But then decided, after some addition, it should be its own article page. I was hoping you could help me by finding a photo and uploading it to the page. I don't know where one can get a free use photo and upload it for this encyclopedia. Cheers, John. JohnJustice 13:16, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

Done. Karajou 09:48, 5 November 2012 (EST) Great photo, thanks. I hope to write articles on the Tiger I, M4 Sherman tank and JagdPanther, when I have the time. Cheers, JohnJustice 10:55, 5 November 2012 (EST) I just wrote an article for the Jagdpanther. If you have the time could you find a photo for the article? I don't know how to upload, nor determine a fair-use photo. Thanks, --JohnJustice 22:12, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Hey there, I'm not really well versed with wiki editing so I hope this isn't the wrong way to request assistance. I previously was the user WalterP, and couldn't remember my password (or see a thing for password recovery but I could be blind.) Would it be possible for you to delete WalterP and this account so I could re-register as WalterP? Or is it ok for me to use this account even if it's named WalterP2? I don't want to make it look like I have more than one account.

Thanks! WalterP2 15:39, 8 November 2012 (EST)

Hello. I was hoping you might unlock the Karl Rove page so that I could add a section on his status as a Rino Backer, as well as his 1% success rate in the 2012 general election. Thanks, WilliamWB 22:10, 8 November 2012 (EST)

I'm sure you know who I am. I am a sock puppeteer on this wiki. And I have come here to apologise. This is my real name, and I have had a sudden realisation that God is the only one who could have created us in this world. I saw the mountains of evidence throughout this wiki and changed my mind.

I hope to model myself after Shockofgod, and I humbly ask you, as a Christian and a person of forgiveness, something Jesus Christ our Lord preached so well, to accept my apology. JNeumann 08:03, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Dear Karajou: I agree that CP should be spam free. I was surprized that you deleted the short article that I created on P90X. I am not affiliated with that particular workout, and did not know anything about it until I started researching Paul Ryan's biography. He is a big fan of the workout and recruited other Congressmen to join him in doing it. So, I included it in his biography. I created the stub article to avoid a red link and to avoid leaving questions in the reader's mind as to what P90X was, because I did not know myself when I started my research. Anyone else who starts reading news reports on Ryan will wonder as well, so I think we need the article. Please reconsider. Thanks, Wschact 09:56, 16 November 2012 (EST)

I took your advice, re-read it, and agree with you. The article is restored, and I stand corrected  :) Karajou 10:19, 16 November 2012 (EST) Thank you for your consideration. Wschact 11:01, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Sent you an email good sir! Hope your holiday was great.--IDuan 15:09, 25 November 2012 (EST)

Finished that email we talked about. Let me know if it needs any touch ups or additions.--IDuan 00:54, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Aschlafly wrote the essay Mystery:Did Jesus Write the Epistle to the Hebrews?. This wouldn't have been to problematic, but now he puts his outlandish idea into an article in the main space (Epistle to the Hebrews). First he wrote:

"The Epistle to the Hebrews is the nineteenth book of the New Testament, and one of the greatest mysteries in all of intellectual history: the authorship of this brilliant work is unknown, and the most plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it."

User:Iduan toned this down somewhat, so that we read at the moment:

"The Epistle to the Hebrews is the nineteenth book of the New Testament, and one of the greatest mysteries in all of intellectual history: the authorship of this brilliant work is unknown, and one plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it."

I couldn't find any Biblical scholar who shares this idea, I couldn't find any authorative figure who promotes this - and this isn't much of a surprise if you read the epistle for yourself! The only "scholar" who has proposed this "theory" in the last 2000 years is Andrew Schlafly.

I tried to delete this sentence, and then I tried to make it clear that this idea is a personal insight by Andrew Schlafly. My edits were reverted: any reader of this encyclopedia gets the impression that this theory is something commonly known or well discussed. That's utterly untrue.

I tend to be quite strict on Biblical matters - I'm often accused of being nitpicky. As one of the sysops of Conservapedia who was active in 2012 I ask you to weigh in on this problem: maybe it is just me and most of the of you and your fellow sysops think that it is acceptable to present an insight of a single person in a Biblical matter (an insight shared by virtually no one) as a plausible theory. But - as the title of this section indicates - for me this is a very serious matter.

--AugustO 19:25, 25 November 2012 (EST)

Let me ask you a question, AugustO...could Jesus have dictated Hebrews to Paul? Karajou 01:10, 26 November 2012 (EST) Pauls was inspired by the Holy Spirit - and he tells us so. But he never claimed that Jesus dictated something to him, especially not verbatim. --AugustO 02:46, 26 November 2012 (EST) I didn't ask you if Jesus did; I asked you if Jesus could have have done it. Karajou 03:49, 26 November 2012 (EST) Bullseye! Obviously with Jesus Christ everything is possible. But is it plausible? Isn't it misleading the reader to say that the most plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it? This idea is invented by Andrew Schlafly and therefore is his original work. In Conservapedia:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia we read: We allow original, properly labeled works, while Wikipedia does not. So the statement should be properly labeled! Something like: In 2012, Andrew Schlafly proposed the possibility that the epistle was written or dictated by Jesus Christ himself. --AugustO 04:16, 26 November 2012 (EST) What I think you need to do is to think about the fact that 1. God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one (1 John 5:7); 2. if the Holy Spirit is doing the inspiring, then God is doing it; 3. if Jesus can stop Saul of Tarsus dead in his tracks on the Damascus Road after the Resurrection, if He can speak to John while he was on Patmos, then he can tell Paul what to write down in any of the epistles...in effect, making Him the author. In short, God does the inspiring, God does the dictating, God does the authoring; Moses, Jonah, Matt and Paul just work the pens. Karajou 10:26, 26 November 2012 (EST) Perhaps that is why I'm so often accused to be nit-picky: the Ten Commandments where dictated by God, written down by Moses. Here we have Gods Own words. The Gospels are the inspired truth of God in the words of the authors. Andrew Schlafly claims that Jesus himself wrote or dictated this epistle. That is much more than inspiring the author - or just telling him what to write down. And it is certainly not a plausible theory! --AugustO 10:42, 26 November 2012 (EST) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16. "All scripture" means everything in the Bible, Genesis to Revelation. Paul just supplied the ink. Karajou 11:18, 26 November 2012 (EST)

So is it fair to say that you have no problem with including the statement "the authorship of this brilliant work is unknown, and the most plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it" into the article Epistle to the Hebrews? --AugustO 11:23, 26 November 2012 (EST)

It's more obvious that you have a problem against it, August. If the human writer of Hebrews wasn't inspired to write it by God, then the above quote from Timothy is a complete and utter lie. Is Timothy in the New Testament? Is Timothy just a few letters behind Hebrews? Did Paul know Timothy? Is God's Word going to outlast Heaven and earth? Either all Scripture is inspired by God, or it's not. Karajou 11:39, 26 November 2012 (EST) All Scripture is inspired by God, but not all Scripture is written or dictated by God Himself, resulting in a verbatim transcript. The only example for this are the Ten Commandments (and perhaps Mene, Mene, Tekel, u-Pharsin). Therefore for me it is not plausible that Jesus wrote or dictated the Epistle to the Hebrews. And I ask again: User:Karajou, is it fair to say that you have no problem with including the statement "the authorship of this brilliant work is unknown, and the most plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it" into the article Epistle to the Hebrews? --AugustO 12:07, 26 November 2012 (EST) August, if you don't think it is plausible that Jesus wrote or dictated the Epistle to the Hebrews, then what specific alternative authors do you suggest? Surely you agree that someone wrote it.--Andy Schlafly 11:31, 26 November 2012 (EST)

I was talking to our tech guy at work about spam and where it came from and ways to stop it on forums, blogs and the like. He said their are organisations like spamhaus that collect details of various large spamming organisations so as to allow for those people to be blocked. He recommended that blocking those IP ranges would be a way to stop some spamming, so I did that as you can see. He also recommended that a good way to stop spam was to ask the spammers a question rather than use captcha or recaptcha as they basically just use cheap slave labour to solve them. Having an actual question would allow general users to register whilst stopping a large number of spammers. Dvergne 05:05, 14 December 2012 (EST)

I have also found a site called; stopforumspam, which lists known IP ranges that spam forums, wiki's and blogs. It seems that sites like Wikipedia and various large forums use this to collate where they are getting spam from and then block those IP's. I will start blocking IP's from those ranges as well. Dvergne 21:42, 14 December 2012 (EST)

I've set up a honeypot wiki, to track and monitor wiki spammers. If you want, I can give you checkuser priviledges there, so you can partake in the experiment/project yourself. Url, if you are interested. brenden 23:27, 17 December 2012 (EST)

It seems you last edit kinda killed MPR, with a link now half missing. Dvergne 21:15, 19 December 2012 (EST)

Fixed. I think what happened was the page did not load properly when edited, and got erased when posted. Karajou 21:22, 19 December 2012 (EST) Yeah, its always a pain when that happens. Dvergne 21:28, 19 December 2012 (EST) I'm blaming my own internet connection with the problem. It slowed down and sputtered during the past hour, and probably caused the MPR problem. Karajou 21:33, 19 December 2012 (EST)

I saw that you recently reverted an edit by another editor referring to Barack Obama's religion as Muslim. The editor placed a citation needed tag on the article, which was not is dispute of that information, but merely requesting an appropriate source be added to confirm that information.

I did some research on the subject myself, since I find it doubtful Obama is a Muslim, and the following links all would agree he is, at best, a Christian (possibly lasped) with, at best, some academic knowledge of Muslim traditions due to his family upbringing, but he himself is not an active believer in the Muslim faith.

As evidence, I present the following links:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1969392

https://my.barackobama.com/page/share/christian

http://atheism.about.com/od/barackobamareligionfaith/a/ObamaReligion.htm

http://www.ucc.org/news/obama-inauguration.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27775757/

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155315/many-americans-cant-name-obamas-religion.aspx

I personally am not a fan of many policies of President Obama nor believe America has been served well by many of his policies, but by the same token I categorically reject the idea of having an article on a website purported to be educational which labels him as part of a religious tradition which he is not a practicing member, which his own words, his own church affiliations, and multiple news source all agree is true.

I do not wish to cause trouble for Conservapedia, so since this article seems to be an object of contention, I am presenting evidence for why his religious affiliation should be changed to reflect fact (he is Christian), and before I did anything, I felt it best to inform an administrator about my proposed course of action.

PatrickMarion 15:31, 31 December 2012 (EST)PatrickMarion

I would agree with you, but... First, there's no good way to approach this topic. Whether Muslim or Christian or atheist or agnostic, putting a cite tag on the block in Obama's article would be a good idea as well as a poor idea; there's just no good answer here. Second, for the "Muslim" side of things, we have it on record that while he does not go to a mosque every Friday, he has given his support to Muslims everywhere world-wide, beginning with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. As far as being a Christian, he is certainly not one. He can spout that label all he wants, but a Christian follows Christ. A Christian will never support abortion, same-sex marriage, attacks on the wealthy; nor would he give support to Muslims anywhere in the world when these same groups (are you reading this, Muslim Brotherhood?) are viciously attacking Christians up to and including murder. Karajou 15:47, 31 December 2012 (EST) I understand your position, sir, and I do find that many of the President's actions are at odds with his stated faith, so perhaps adding (alleged) next to his religion identification would suffice, and the article can explain why the label does not agree with his publicly expressed morality.

PatrickMarion 16:02, 31 December 2012 (EST)PatrickMarion

How about something like the following: "Christian (claimed)"; "Muslim (alleged)"; "Agnostic/atheist" ... those would have to be proven, of course; "Socialist/communist" ... he could very well worship both of those philosophies, much like being going to church. Or a line that says "see below", and in the article there would be a subtopic detailing his Christian claims, his Muslim history, reasons why he's not one or the other, and so on. I like this aspect a little better because this site and others made claims he was Muslim; if that is the case we have to explain it in detail. If he's Christian, we have to explain in detail the origins of the claims, as well as why he's actually not. Socialist/communist, atheist/agnostic, yes we must explain that as well. Karajou 00:43, 1 January 2013 (EST) That sounds like a good call. Since this a website which examines topics from a conservative point of view, your proposed solution sounds like it would cover all the bases equally while adhering to the POV policies of Conservapedia. PatrickMarion 02:42, 1 January 2013 (EST)PatrickMarion It would be on a topic possibly called "Obama's religious beliefs", and would explain it several ways. In the Muslim portion, what is there to establish his Muslim belief system (early education, etc), and what is he doing today that would be supportive or combative to the Muslim religion; likewise his Christian belief system, where did he go to church, what kind of church, is what he believes compatible with what the Bible says he should be doing as a Christian. It could be a stand-alone article itself. Karajou 02:52, 1 January 2013 (EST)

I know my infinite block is coming here in just a few seconds but... how do you expect this place to ever grow if you just block everyone you disagree with? You ever try just talking to people? --GeralfM 11:48, 25 January 2013 (EST)

And what were the reasons why I block people? Please tell me, the world is waiting. Karajou 12:34, 25 January 2013 (EST) See, it is hard to talk to trolls - like yourself - who are only here to cause problems, and it is based on those problems that I block those trolls. Like yourself. Now go take a bath. Karajou 12:41, 25 January 2013 (EST)

This is meant to be more of a private message, so feel free to delete this if you want. I don't know you history with this MattyD, but to ban him for saying that a link between Conservapedia and Sandy Hook Hoaxers problematic seems to be going a little to far. I realize that he thought/said that it was Conservapedia's official twitter feed...but seeing the Conservapedia logo, that could be an honest mistake. Whatever his intent though, he was right....linking Conservapedia to Sandy Hook hoaxers is problematic. The author of the tweet appeared to endorse the nutty idea that Sandy Hook did not occur at all. Furthermore, he did it with a logo that made it look like it was the view of conservapedia. If I were to do that with my company's logo, I would be unemployed. The fact that the article also spoke of the media's failings is irrelevant. You could probably find Holocaust deniers, or "truthers" complaining about the faults of media, but linking to them would be foolish. --PeterNant 19:51, 25 January 2013 (EST)

Keep him banned. He went for the tattletale angle. He wanted to create as much noise as possible. All he did was read our critic website and decided to take action. He can read there all he wants but he can't edit here any more.--Jpatt 20:07, 25 January 2013 (EST)

Take a look at User:Richt03. I think he's taking the micky. Or he has a dash-hyphen fetish. (Never seen one of them before!) I've banned him for the day but I think he needs stopping. If he gets into colons it may be too late. AlanE 22:17, 31 January 2013 (EST)

Looked, saw, and he's gone now. Karajou 01:04, 1 February 2013 (EST)

The articles I've checked seem to be okay (Ra, Ramses II, Ancient Egypt) - as was the article on Magdeburg. I googled some of the content of the first revisions, and it seems that those aren't copies of other articles neither. Perhaps you could recreate the other articles on Egypt in this list (one or two a day), so that we can check them? There are a few articles on German subjects (Claus von Stauffenberg, Max von Baden) which I'd like to see, too...

I don't think that being a creation of parodist is enough to delete an article: only parodies should be deleted. The articles on Egyptian subjects seem to be original, and contain quite a few nice pictures - which seem to be duly copyrighted, too.

--AugustO 10:37, 8 February 2013 (EST)

Lucky you caught that pathetic vandal before he made an even bigger mess. Well done mate ! Dvergne 08:40, 10 February 2013 (EST)

Can you please redirect the article Libyan War 2011 to Libyan War? --Alex00 10:41, 10 February 2013 (EST)

and the article Libyan uprising 2011 --Alex00 10:49, 13 February 2013 (EST)

Thanks for adding the categories - it makes it easier to put pictures to various articles. Could you please restore Amun, Karnak and King list? Thanks again! --AugustO 14:57, 11 February 2013 (EST)

I half expected Markman to revert the talk page because of an earlier discussion on my talk page where I asked him to contribute to it. I didn't think he would be so maliciously petty though. 300 words in 21 edits in 52 months is not a talkfest. About 6 words a month. To me it was a bit of light relief. Innocent merriment. For you to end the whole thing with no discussion I find extremely disappointing. AlanE 12:56, 1 March 2013 (EST)

OK, K, why? What have I done to deserve this? AlanE 21:10, 6 March 2013 (EST)

Specifically, what is wrong with these edits? The article is 5 years out of date and in need of updating. I have more than two months work time in it already. OscarO 21:37, 6 March 2013 (EST)

Hello, can you please upload the new flag of Burma ? --Alex00 10:15, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

And can you rename the File:Flag of Libya 1951.png to File:Flag of Libya.png ? Hi there are no flags or coat of arms of the following countries:Dominican Republic, Grenada, Saint Lucia, Jamaica, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines and Saint Kitts and Nevis --Alex00 14:36, 26 March 2013 (EDT) And Trinidad and Tobago --Alex00 14:38, 26 March 2013 (EDT) I'll have to search for them a little later, but they will be found and added. Karajou 14:39, 26 March 2013 (EDT) I dont want to be unpolite but when will you uploud those flags and coat of arms? --Alex00 12:15, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Still trying to limit my talk activity lol (not that it's excessive but not sure how it's scored..by word count or number of times, cause sometimes I can occasionally get wordy!) but anyways, I was fixing to create an article that was deleted (for the television show Breaking Bad) i saw that it had previously been deleted by you. I wanted to know if it was safe to recreate it as i wasn't sure if his contribution was wildly inappropriate or Conservapedia would have objections for it being listed as one of their articles. --DavidS 02:39, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

I noticed you blocked that user as "sock of Brendan". I would like to assure you that Rmacdugal was not me. The most probable reason was that the user simply signed up from one of the school's computers. brenden 14:20, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

I unblocked him on your advice. Karajou 15:02, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

I think that this user is possibly pulling our leg and is actually a sock of Horace (given that the original phrasing Carpe'diem was from a work by Horace Flaccus). Could you please run a detailed checkuser on this account. Cheers Dvergne 09:02, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

Hi. Mind if I undelete Liberals and friendship? I think Michael Medved and others make some good points about the political pressure liberals put on their "friends". --Ed Poor Talk 17:29, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Please do. Karajou 09:36, 8 April 2013 (EDT)

Can you please uploud these pictures? http://middle-east-info.org/league/iran/usdiplomatshostageiniran.gif --Alex00 12:52, 11 April 2013 (EDT) Or this http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2011/9/30/201193041012723734_8.jpg and this one https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTCdYRmvD9ZyPzo-HYnN3Aqm3SRe2kWRmCRWeB1r_h71EAKTJh6PWnwmgvrJFPvEVvm7jMrdQZm-oxMq5ZTggjadYLkfNnUe_9rjFTxE7n5jVDFBw9hcScNJQqzKitfPAThsuID4EYNXk/s1600/Gadafi.jpg --Alex00 13:01, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Hi, I created a page for this church at wikipedia but they deleted it (despite the fact it met their so-called "standards", which are arbitrarily applied). It's my work entirely, saved on my computer. So, I'd like to try to post it again.--Yeoberry 09:03, 12 April 2013 (EDT) p.s. I also wrote most of the article on Gail Riplinger.--Yeoberry 09:10, 12 April 2013 (EDT)

I need to know why you deleted my very valid questions (with provided evidence) from the main talk page for "RW references" while Conservative regularly posts references to it on the Main page as "an atheist wiki". I did not like to RW and I did not support them, I linked to graphs on Alexa.com disproving Conservative's uncited claims. I'm going to be completely honest, I personally feel like it can be only one of two explanations at this point:

There's a double standard consisting of conservative being able to do whatever he wants and everyone else expected to fall in line behind him... It was the fact that I used "RW" instead of "an atheist wiki" as a codeword for that other site...

I sincerely hope it's the latter if it's either of those, but I hope even more that it is some other explanation. I look forward to hearing back from you. Fnarrow 09:13, 20 April 2013 (EDT)

You know how quite a few of the pages about birds you created do not have much text or only have text and a picture. Well I had an idea that maybe it should be suggested that new users add content to those articles. That way we would weed out troublemakers whilst also adding content. Would love to hear your thoughts regarding this issue. Cheers, Dick Dvergne 00:51, 21 April 2013 (EDT)

A large number of them do not have much beyond a taxonomy box, but they were put in place as it just to get them properly categorized. Anyone is free to add content as needed. Karajou 01:54, 21 April 2013 (EDT)

As a administrator can you unblock the page Kentucky Fried Chicken, so i could write on it?--Alex00 13:16, 27 April 2013 (EDT)

Hi, Karajou. I offered to let a recently blocked user return, provided he follows my advice. Is this okay? --Ed Poor Talk 18:03, 28 April 2013 (EDT)

It's Okay; unblock him. Karajou 22:20, 28 April 2013 (EDT) I did. Thanks! --Ed Poor Talk 09:28, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

I blocked and warned Karegador, because of his Women in combat edit; see his talk page. --Ed Poor Talk 11:06, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

I thought his edits were pretty silly, too. Karajou 11:23, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

Could we have an article called Old Testament moral rules and modern interpretatinos of odd-sounding passages like Deuteronomy 22:28-29? We could present the rebuttal to the anti-Christian point that the newbie was trying to support. --Ed Poor Talk 11:55, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

I think we should have such a page. Karajou 11:58, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

Okay, I'm just getting started and don't have time to finish anything today. The deleted article now redirects to Old Testament morality, which in turn redirects to Rape#Punishment for rape. --Ed Poor Talk 12:08, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

Hi, I feel you might be the most knowledgeable about this topic, so, do you know what the process for naming ships are? Is there any protocol, or is it simply a committee-based process?

Thanks, brenden 00:32, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

Ship naming is the responsibility of the Secretary of the Navy, after input submitted to the Chief of Naval Operations. This website [9] should help you out. Karajou 00:45, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

Karajou, as the title of this section indicates, I've been thinking about the Titanothere picture and related questions you supplied under the heading: Pretty Dogmatic on the Main Talk Page and trying to come up with the best way to express myself in regards to them. Unfortunately, in that intervening time the thread has been slightly derailed and I wanted to make sure you and I got the chance to discuss this one on one. Therefore, I figured this would be the best place to respond. Total honesty, my answer to all of your questions at this point would have to be "I don't know." I know nothing about the authors or the animals depicted(other than what a quick Google search turned up...), and therefore cannot speak to their methods, claims or anything else on the specific topic of your question. I assume (please, correct me if I'm wrong so I can answer properly) that the purpose of your question was to ask if evolution in general is "falsifiable" and that is a question I can answer through my personal beliefs. First, let me state the following to clarify my starting point here:

If those findings were presented as a "theory" then I have no problem with it as the author is therefore simply just stating "this is the answer which best fits the current evidence as viewed with currently available scientific techniques." This makes the statement falsifiable by leaving open the possibility that new evidence and techniques could change our understanding of the topic (as appeared to have happened with the Titanotheres(WP article has nice chart, couldn't find it else where, sorry) based upon the new classifications presented in 2004-2005) thereby falsifying the earlier conclusions. In this case the answer to your questions would be "yes, the statements are true and falsifiable". However, if they are presented as a "fact" or "scientific law" then the authors are claiming that their conclusions are tested, repeatable and therefore cannot be disproved. In the latter case, I would say that the answer to your questions were "no, they are not true statements because the author is claiming they are unfalsifiable".

Now, for the second implied question (Once again, please correct me if my assumption is wrong so i can answer properly) is "Why eliminate God from science?" The only answer I can give is that in my opinion, I could be proven wrong in the future, God is currently and will always be beyond the ability of science to measure or even detect. This does not mean God doesn't exist, it only means that science can never speak either way on the existence of God. I hope this clarifies my stance as an Agnostic Christian and how I do not see any contradiction in that position. Thank you for your thoughtful, intelligent response; I'm looking forward to hearing back from you and continuing this discussion with out the intrusions from trolls and vandals on the main page. Thanks, Fnarrow 16:39, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

Would really like to hear your thoughts on this... Thanks, Fnarrow 00:54, 10 May 2013 (EDT) For the titanothere pic, the author claimed descent via evolution from one animal (the one at the bottom) through to the one at the top. What he did - and what others continue to do to this day - is to look at the animal bones and pronounce a judgement. That's it. They say "look at the animals", and we stand there looking at this made-up sequence one to another, and we are to assume a change took place. That most certainly is not science; it is little more than a guessing game based on opinion and innuendo, and yes, the typical evolutionist who makes such a claim cannot get past the first step of the scientific method when push comes to shove after a demand is made that he prove it. For that reason this website cannot and will not accept evolution as anything other than a mere theory. As far as God is concerned, I would have to agree with some people who say that God is not testable; He doesn't fall under the "falsifiability" test. That does not mean He doesn't exist; to me, it means He doesn't have to cooperate. For example, a couple years ago some college kid(s) sent me a flyer of their efforts to conduct a scientific survey; I did not answer. They sent it again. I ignored them. A third time, and and I got the idea that they were going to demand it; I shut them down via the college administration. The point here is I did not have to cooperate at all with anyone conducting an unwanted survey, and for similar reasons God is just going to ignore someone making a scientific falsifiability test demand on Him. Those are my thoughts on the subject. Karajou 01:21, 10 May 2013 (EDT)

Could you please explain to me why you reverted my edits to the Whales page? I thought that all my edits were quite reasonable.--DTSavage 11:23, 7 May 2013 (EDT)

Please explain the word "cetartiodactyla". Karajou 11:40, 7 May 2013 (EDT) Sure. Recently, scientists have begun using "cetartiodactyla" to represent a monophyletic group containing both the cetaceans and the even-toed ungulates (artiodactyls).--DTSavage 11:47, 7 May 2013 (EDT) I don't want this to turn into some kind of edit war, but i do believe that most of my edits were of good quality, so I'm going to re-revert most of my edits, though I'll leave out the changes I made that refer specifically to cetartiodactyla. I hope that's an OK compromise.--DTSavage 18:42, 7 May 2013 (EDT) OK, definately no edit war. This term "cetartiodactyla" is a new term, and yes, it was done to suggest a relationship between whales and deer, cows, pigs, sheep, and so on. But it also suggests descent, meaning some time ago some ancient deer decided on its own to give up salad for a career in fishing. And just who's to say it's true? Why not call it "chiroptocetacea"? Do whales use sonar like bats? How about "homocetacea"? Do some people claim whales have the same brain power as man? In this evolution business, there is always someone making something up without any supporting evidence beyond their own observations, and they insist that it's true, that we must believe it. Karajou 21:09, 7 May 2013 (EDT) Reasonable concerns. I guess I'll stick to making edits to biology-related articles that won't stir up creation vs evolution debate.--DTSavage 22:19, 7 May 2013 (EDT) My own preference for the various articles is to have a subtopic titled "evolutionary claims", which is what evolutionary scientists have stated over the years about it. Of course, it will also be refuted, but both sides of the argument will be presented, leaving the reader to make up his/her own mind. Karajou 01:37, 8 May 2013 (EDT)

You recently locked the abortion article, stating, "Will not have the subject watered down, there's nothing medical about it." I have two problems with the lock. First, this was a day or so after Coservative reverted my edits (no reason given), and so the article wasn't even being actively vandalized* at the time. Second, the edits I had made may have seemed to "water down" the issue, but seeked only for a more factual article. For example, when I changed "liberals" to "many liberals," I was only trying to be correct; some liberal are pro-life, just as some conservatives are pro-abortion. I additionally updated the abortion count from 54m to 56m and cited a source on fetal pain, which should strengthen the article. GVolkov 21:07, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Only asking because I have an interest in The US Military and intend to write some essays on it. I don't want "step on your toes" so if you spot any incorrect information I will take no offence if it is edited. In fact I would welcome it. Also would a Band of Brothers article be appropriate for the Greatest Conservative Movies/TV category? To me it does but I have to say although I am quite knowledgeable about the US Military, American political definitions somewhat baffle me. Thanks --Patmac 21:51, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

I see you deleted the sarcy remark by the last user. Rank is no reflection on the character of a soldier/sailor/airman. Privates, captains or generals are all worthy of respect.--Patmac 14:53, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

User: Brendon is attempting to engage in liberal censorship of civil discussions because he is unhappy on how the liberal side fared in a recent discussion. Brendon recently did this on the main page talk page on a discussion about liberal Christianity. I am beginning to think Brenden should lose his editing privileges for awhile or perhaps permanently.

What are your thoughts on this matter? Conservative 16:34, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

User:Karajou, I feel that your opinion would fair and non-partisan. I ask you, therefore, to quickly browse through the history of the offending page, and see really, who is at fault.

Thanks again for your assistance, brenden 16:37, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

Hi. Could you unlock this article, please? The opening claim is false: details can be found on the talk page and verified here. Thanks, JohanZ 12:53, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

Dear Karajou,

I see you blocked this user with the reason "Trolling: vandalism, nonsense inserted...just plain nuts". I only see three edits of his, none of which I think constitutes trolling or vandalism:

I'm not going to overturn your block without your permission, but I just wanted to let you know how I saw things with respect to this user so that you can (if you want) reevaluate whether the user should be blocked forever. Thanks, GregG 10:44, 8 June 2013 (EDT)

I've got to go pick my wife up from the airport so I do not have any more time to get bullied or try defending the article. Markman is adding gay pornography and a song about beating someone with a baseball bat to the Conservative Songs article. The other Ramones song is not what he says. Please have a look at this situation. Nate 21:43, 23 June 2013 (EDT)

One of the songs in question supports corporal punishment, the whole thing about the baseball bat is just an exaggeration for humor's sake. The other song in question portrays gays as promiscuous and depraved, just what conservatives have been saying about them all along. It seems as if NKeaton is simply trying to censor info that does not comport with his lib beliefs and his support for the homosexual agenda. - Markman 21:49, 23 June 2013 (EDT) I haven't checked Markman's contribs to that article (I disagree with the idea of "conservative songs" altogether), but his block comment of "idiot" was disquieting. brenden 22:05, 23 June 2013 (EDT) He was throwing accusations at me, I merely retaliated. - Markman 22:09, 23 June 2013 (EDT) You don't need to retaliate. At any rate, Mr. Schlafly agreed with Nate here, so it's really a moot point. brenden 22:11, 24 June 2013 (EDT)

Please uploud the flag and the coat of arms of Benin, Saint Lucia and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.--JoeyJ 10:00, 30 June 2013 (EDT)

And I forgot the Republic of China.--JoeyJ 10:47, 30 June 2013 (EDT)

Can you point to any specific block you found problematic? - Markman 07:29, 3 July 2013 (EDT)


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